Reddit reviews Why People Die by Suicide

For those of you who are interested, the three conditions of thwarted belongingness, perceived burdensomness and capacity for suicide are likely from Thomas Joiner's book Why People Die By Suicide. His argument is pretty convincing, though I'm left thinking that he undermined the role played by mental illness. I would also like to give a shameless plug to my extremely sparse subreddit /r/suicidology, which focuses on the problem of suicide from a scientific and sociocultural perspective.

Have you consider the possibility that your time might be better served by checking out a book from the library instead of pastoring and insulting strangers?

Assuming you're not totally full of shit when you claim to be "intrigued," here's a book recommendation: "Why people die by suicide.". I know, it's a book, not something exciting like a VROOM VROOM MOTORCYCLE, but you asked.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0674025490/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_p2u.zbFQ1ZNT5

In short, you're not asking us to answer your question, you're asking us to teach you an entire subfield of psychiatry (suicidology). The answer is no. Shut up, leave us alone and go read.

P.S. calling us cowards doesn't do anything. We get it, you're very brave and we are not. Good for you, here is a 🏅. Hooray.

My heartfelt sympathies!

As for the "why?" question, the best book I have ever, ever read on this is Thomas Joiner's "Why People Die by Suicide" https://www.amazon.com/Why-People-Suicide-Thomas-Joiner/dp/0674025490. As someone who used to be suicidal myself, I can tell you that he fully hit the mark: I never read a better text explaining suicide than his. I would encourage everyone to read this and for every school library to get a copy. In an odd way, it was healing reading it. I sent the author a thank you note for his amazing book and even got a reply!

Aside from that, one trigger that can be overlooked could be abuse (not neccessary only sexual but also physical and also emotional) - and not neccessary commited by parents. Often abuse victims are so so ashamed that they don't see another way out (certainly made me suicidal back when it was happening).

For what it's worth, I told a former teacher years after I left school what was happening/that I was suicidal back then and he was shocked and gobsmacked. He told me he never would have guessed. Some kids are just too good at hiding it. And teachers do have 200+ students. Sometimes there is no way to tell what goes through a student's mind.

The average person cannot commit suicide without a great deal of effort, it takes a seriously strong mind to do it. To you, that may sound counter-intuitive, but it's the truth. This book talks about it a number of times. For a person to succeed at suicide, it nearly always involves numerous attempts. It's not just a long-term outlook of pointlessness, but a view that the entirety of life is beyond pointless. Every second of every day the person is considering the useless aspects of life and they eventually feel tortured enough to do something about it. If you haven't been stricken with insomnia thinking about your useless existence then you don't know where this type of person is at. It's not just some acute depression.

>As far as our outlook goes, it's identical

Not even close. Nice try though. Those who fight suicidal tendencies in their youth will most likely die from it at some point in their life. The fact that you haven't yet attempted it means you are either too young to have gone through it or you will probably never feel what it means to be suicidal in your entire life. Try being a little more empathetic and perhaps reading a few books before you make bold assumptions based on something you have no experience with.

They aren't textbooks, but they do have information to learn in them.
Here are a couple of things on my reading list:

Why People Die By Suicide by Thomas Joiner

How to Be an Adult in Relationships by David Richo

Hold Me Tight by Sue Johnson

Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenburg

GROUP THERAPY:
Title: The College Counselor's Guide to Group Psychotherapy
Editors: Michele D. Ribeiro, Josh M. Gross, and Marcee M. Turner
Link: https://www.crcpress.com/The-College-Counselors-Guide-to-Group-Psychotherapy/Ribeiro-Gross-Turner/p/book/9781138681965


Title: Attachment in Group Psychotherapy
Author: Cheri Marmarosh
Link: https://www.amazon.com/Attachment-Group-Psychotherapy-Cheri-Marmarosh/dp/1433813211


Title: The Interpersonal Neurobiology of Group Psychotherapy and Group Process
Editors: Susan P. Gantt, Bonnie Badenoch
Link: https://www.amazon.com/Interpersonal-Neurobiology-Psychotherapy-International-Analysis/dp/1780491778



SUICIDALITY:
Title: Why people die by suicide
Author: Thomas Joiner
Link: https://www.amazon.com/Why-People-Suicide-Thomas-Joiner/dp/0674025490


BURNOUT / SELF-CARE:
Title: Trauma Stewardship
Author: Laura van Dernoot Lipsky and Connie Burk
Link: https://www.amazon.com/Trauma-Stewardship-Everyday-Caring-Others/dp/157675944X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1527694086&sr=1-1


Title: The Upside of Stress: Why Stress is Good for You, and How to Get Good at It
Author: Kelly McGonigal
Link: https://www.amazon.com/Upside-Stress-Why-Good-You/dp/1101982934/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1527694165&sr=1-1
Author

http://www.amazon.com/Why-People-Suicide-Thomas-Joiner/dp/0674025490/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372193494&sr=8-1&keywords=why+people+die+by+suicide
http://www.amazon.com/Myths-about-Suicide-Thomas-Joiner/dp/0674061985/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1372193494&sr=8-2&keywords=why+people+die+by+suicide