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u/dblcross121 · 96 pointsr/NeutralPolitics

There's a strong argument that the US Government is responsible for creating the obesity epidemic in the first place, so in so far as it needs to reverse the damage it's caused with incorrect dietary guidelines, then yes.

Here's the gist of the problem: During the 1960s and 1970s, there was much concern about the high rate of heart disease in the United States. Policy makers developed dietary recommendations in the late 70s early 80s based on what turned out to be a very poor understanding of what causes heart disease. These recommendations called for a low-fat diet, which over the last 3 decades has contributed to an enormous increase in the amount of carbohydrates we consume. Studies are beginning to show that fat was not the culprit at all, and that high carbohydrate diets are actually to blame for the obesity epidemic.

Sources: Good Calories Bad Calories,, The Big Fat Surprise, and The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living.

u/RealFoodOnly · 38 pointsr/todayilearned

You say that like fat is a bad thing.

Go read this NYT magazine article and try to claim that fat = bad... or better yet, read Good Calories, Bad Calories.

It so happens that the fat in Doritos is primarily vegetable oil, which is NOT good for you because it has a high concentration of omega-6 fatty acids. The levels of omega-6 found in industrially produced vegetable oil are far higher than what humans could have possibly consumed throughout 99% of our evolutionary history. We are exquisitely maladapted to high omega-6 intakes (especially when combined with chronic omega-3 deficiency).

I didn't check all of the Doritos varieties, but if any of them have "partially hydrogenated" vegetable oils, that's even worse... trans fats!

But, fat by itself is not a bad thing. There are dozens of different types of fat. If you read the NYT article linked above, you'll find that the very types of fat that most people fear (saturated fat) may actually be the healthiest for us.

u/ctfbbuck · 12 pointsr/keto

So, you're here to defend the law of conservation of mass. Thanks.

How about the effect of eating carbs vs. eating fat on insulin levels and therefore adiposity?

Check out Taubes' Why we get fat or Good Calories, Bad Calories for details.

u/[deleted] · 10 pointsr/AskReddit

Wikipedia has a page about obesity in the United States. In it, there is this awesome animated gif that shows how the obesity rate has increased since as recently as 1985.

I know recommending a 600 page book is probably a stretch, but I found Good Calories Bad Calories very interesting.

u/ahoyhoy1234 · 9 pointsr/lectures

Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes also goes into great detail about this subject. Very interesting/informative read.

u/Captain_Midnight · 8 pointsr/keto

Dietary fat is essential for hormone regulation, blood clotting, sheathing the neurons in your brain, and appetite satiation. Certain fats also have anti-viral, anti-fungal, and anti-bacterial components, and they'll help with your skin complexion. There's no health benefit to restricting fat, and a lot of downsides.

You also have to get your calories from somewhere, and protein is only 4 calories per gram. There is no advisable way to get the calories you need from just protein.

I suggest you and your family read Good Calories, Bad Calories, for starters. There are many others featured on the keto calculator page that's in the sidebar to your right.

u/speudebradeos · 7 pointsr/PoliticalDiscussion

No, because the government can make mistakes, sometimes really big ones.

For years, the government has been saying that we should minimize our consumption of fat. This recommendation was erroneous, as we've been finding out for the last fifteen years.

Read Gary Taubes' original NYT Magazine article from 2002 on the shoddy evidence that fat is bad for us. Then read his book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" for a detailed blow-by-blow of how terrible science made it into the government's dietary recommendations. Or watch the documentary "Fat Head" on YouTube for a humorous, yet serious, take.

They tell the same story. In the 1970s, the federal government (namely, George McGovern) decided that it had to do something about the problem of heart disease. They decided to accept the results of some very sketchy research linking fats to heart attacks, because, in the words of McGovern, "Senators don't have the luxury that the research scientist does of waiting until every last shred of evidence is in," despite the fact that there was a robust debate within nutrition science what the true cause was. After these recommendations were released, the NIH actively prevented research contrary to the lipid hypothesis from taking place. Meanwhile, the corn and wheat industries were quite happy to step in and offer "low-fat" alternatives, while lobbying to keep carbs on that broad lower tier of the food pyramid.

But, as Taubes shows, there's really very little evidence that fat is bad for you. In fact, it turns out that fat and cholesterol are really important for all kinds of bodily functions, particularly brain function. And the high-carb diets that low-fat advocates put people on turn out to lead to diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and maybe even Alzheimer's.

Now, I do think the case is much stronger against sugar. But looking at the government's track record over the last forty years, I don't trust the government to get it right. So, no. Let the science play itself out. Be skeptical of all the dogmatic claims you hear. And maybe in fifty years, revisit the issue.

u/UserID_3425 · 7 pointsr/ketoscience

It sounds more like you should get a basic understanding of current nutrition science, and what keto is in general.

Recommended reading:

u/nixfu · 6 pointsr/ketoscience

Gary Taubes books are good and go into a fair bit of the details of the science but I found them pretty readable.

Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health - technical version aimed at medical community, but still very readable

Why We Get Fat - this is a more "layman version" of the same material because some thought good/bad was too technical

I liked them both actually.

u/hereisyourpaper · 6 pointsr/progresspics

> Got any cites to legit studies on either side? Would love to read them.

There's two great sources I like because they take a scientific approach in their own ways.

The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald. It's expensive to buy on his website, but you can get it via torrents. I liked this book because he went into detail on how to do the diet. He doesn't take sides based on ideology and presents the scientific evidence for keto dies, and well as their drawbacks. It gives a very technical way to do the diet with the different ways to do it. "Over 600 scientific references were examined in the writing of this book, and each chapter includes a full bibliography so that interested readers may obtain more detail when desired. Readers who desire further in-depth information are encouraged to examine the cited references to educate themselves."

Summary of The Ketogenic Diet can be found here.

Gary Taubes has written Why We Get Fat: And What to do About it and Good Calories, Bad Calories. I've read the latter of the two and enjoyed it because he also takes a very scientific approach to the matter at hand.

I personally haven't seen any evidence that low carb diets are bad for you. People just argue this point on ideological grounds, and only care about proving their particular diet is the best one, instead of being open-minded. I've read books on both sides, from vegan to keto, and I believe that the evidence points to one thing: The main thing to worry about is eating a variety of foods in moderate amounts.

And some people may need different diets to accomplish this goal. One thing that is especially true of both vegan and keto diets is that they force a person to think about what they eat. It makes food artificially more scarce, thus making it more difficult to over eat. And I believe that that simple fact creates the majority of the health benefits that either diet purport to have.

u/kingcub · 5 pointsr/AskReddit

It's because your premise is wrong. Simply reducing caloric intake will have a detrimental effect on achieving weight loss and increase hunger, if the wrong calories are still consumed. People have been given conflicting and incorrect dietary advice for so long that you cannot 'blame' people for following it and becoming obese. Before sensationalism you should consider reading some books / papers / studies on the issue. Start with this: I don't agree with all the conclusions drawn, however it does contain a wealth of citations studies that you can look up to continue your education on the the topic. Then perhaps you will have more brains than to choose an incorrect (though commonly seen) stance.

u/EricTboneJackson · 5 pointsr/videos

> It's the amount of calories that you eat that makes you fat.

Even if it was true that all calories are equal (they're not), carbs don't satiate, so they make you eat more.

> fatty foods are linked to diabetes, high cholesterol and blood pressure, while sugary foods aren't linked to any of these awful diseases.

Holy ignorant, batman. You're basically regurgitating bad science from the 70s. Suggested reading. The obesity epidemic was and is caused by carbs, not fat. It started the with scientifically unfounded demonization of lipids in the late 60s, which led to use replacing fats in our diet with carbs. The idea that fats clog arteries and cause heart disease is utter nonsense. Heart disease is a sugar problem. There's growing evidence that cancer is a sugar problem, too.

u/peppermint-kiss · 5 pointsr/keto

My advice:

  1. Drink coffee with a sugar substitute (I like Splenda, it functions and tastes exactly like sugar) and a dash of heavy whipping cream (you don't need much to lighten the coffee up a lot).
  2. Diet soda - any kind - is fine.
  3. Watch this video for an "Explain Like I'm Five" approach.

    Bonus advice:

  • Only weigh yourself once a week.
  • If you weigh yourself two weeks in a row and you haven't lost any weight, make sure you're counting your carbs. 50g is the max, 20g is the ideal. So maybe say, "Okay I will only have 35g of carbs a day" and try that for two weeks and see if it starts the weight loss back up again. If not, lower them.
  • If you've lowered your carbs down to 15 or 20g and you're still stalled, try limiting the diet soda. Maybe two cans/day for two weeks, then one can/day.
  • If you're still not losing, cut the soda out completely. For some people, it triggers insulin secretion even though there aren't any carbs in it, and high levels of insulin can stall fat burning.
  • If cutting the soda out doesn't help, cut all artificial sweeteners.
  • Next step would be to start limiting dairy. Then perhaps caffeine and/or nuts.

    I'm a big fan of the "slow and steady" approach. Make little changes, take some time, observe how it affects you. There's no rush to dump weight off; it's more likely to be permanent if you're not obsessing and just "keeping calm and ketoing on".

    Bonus resources, if you want to have a deeper understanding:

  • Why We Get Fat is my favorite intro book.
  • The Art & Science of Low Carbohydrate Living is a very thorough explanation of the diet.
  • The Big Fat Surprise explains why scientists and public health officials act like fat is bad for you, even though the scientific evidence doesn't support that belief.
  • Good Calories, Bad Calories is a more detailed & scientific version of Why We Get Fat
  • New Atkins for a New You is a very easy-to-follow instructional guide if that's what you need (written by Eric Westman, the doctor in the video I linked above).
  • Here is a list of great keto videos to watch.
u/alan_s · 5 pointsr/diabetes

That is a statement, not the research which led to it. You need to dig deeper to see how they decided on those limits.

The best advice I can offer, which I know your closed mind will not accept, is to begin with this book: Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health
by Gary Taubes.

He provides an in depth history of how those recommendations were determined and why they are flawed. The book is over 600 pages including about 150 page of cites to research papers.

Or simply google the father of all the 'research' you quote: a man named Ancel Keys who posted flawed papers in the mid-20th century which led to much of the nonsense peddled by dieticians on fats, carbs and protein ever since.

u/hitssquad · 5 pointsr/overpopulation

Leafy vegetables have nothing to do with a healthy diet:

u/GarretJax · 5 pointsr/

For an entertaining intro to these concepts, you can check out Fat Head. It's streaming on Netflix if you are a subscriber.

Gary Taubes has done a lot of research on the subject. You can check out his books Why We Get Fat and Good Calories, Bad Calories.

I was originally introduced to these concepts by Mark Sisson through his book The Primal Blueprint. He also has a website full of great information; Mark's Daily Apple.

There is also a ton of information you can find online by googling primal diet, paleo diet or ketonic diet.

I will tell you that I was highly skeptical of all this myself given all I was told about nutrition throughout my life. But I now feel better than I ever have. All my health indicators are now in the excellent range. I have more energy than ever. I am rarely hungry. And I have a six pack now. Never in my life, even as an athlete have I had a six pack. And I only exercise about 30 minutes a week (I just follow the simplefit program.)

I now understand what Hippocrates meant by 'Let food be your medicine and your medicine be your food."

And here is a list of ailments I no longer suffer from after switching to a high fat diet.

  • Blood pressure now excellent
  • Cholesterol ratio now excellent
  • Weight down 62 pounds, body fat down from 29% to 12%
  • Hypoglycemia gone
  • Dandruff gone
  • Joint pains gone
  • Inflammation gone
  • Lethargy gone
  • And according to friends and family I look about 10 years younger

    And don't take my word for it. Do the research yourself. And why not give it a try for 30 days yourself and see how you feel. I think you'll be surprised.
u/Juvenall · 5 pointsr/science

"Good Calories, Bad Calories" and/or "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes would be good starts for sources, references, and information that cover why saturated fats are not the evil empire they're made out to be.

If science books are less your thing, there's a good, but painfully produced, documentery counterpoint to "Supersize Me" called "Fat Head" that can be found via Netflix or YouTube. This covers some of the same information on the opinion that fats, including saturated fats, are not bad and that its been bad science and personal agendas that propagated the notion that they were.

u/LugteLort · 5 pointsr/ketoscience

For anyone more curious, Gary Taubes has written a book (in 2008ish) on this topic as well

"Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health"

it's quite a large book tbh. i'm currently reading it.

Goes through how the scientists started focusing on cholsterol and why and how we ended up where we are today.

I'll note i'm not done reading it. i'm only 80 pages in so far - it's in english and it's not my native tongue

u/stefanielaine · 4 pointsr/keto

There is no established connection between dietary fat intake and blood cholesterol levels. Furthermore, there is no established connection between high cholesterol levels and mortality from heart problems.

There's a quick summary here, and if you're really interested, you can read the first few chapters of Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. He describes in great detail how fat became a public enemy because of a few (literally two or three) very questionable studies that got strung together into national dietary guidelines several decades ago.

So, to be clear: keto is safe. Eating fat does not lead to high cholesterol, and even if it did, high cholesterol does not lead to heart related deaths. And if there were a problem with eating meat every day, our ancestors would have died out thousands of years ago.

u/MoBe · 4 pointsr/TrueReddit

>a theory exists linking sugar consumption to elevated insulin

This isn't theory.

If you're really interested in the science behind the claims surrounding obesity and diabetes, I'd suggest getting the book Good Calories, Bad Calories.

The cancer claims would be hard to prove without proper scientific research, but as you've read, research on carbohydrates in general is limited and underfunded.

As far as the obesity claims go, I only have anecdotal evidence. I've been doing a low-carb diet (keto) for 10 weeks now (after reading Taubes' Why We Get Fat) and I've lost a little over 38 pounds, starting at 257, as an 5'8'', 23 y.o. male. All my health indicators (triglycerides, cholesterol, blood pressure) have improved in that short period of time -- and that's only part of the advantages I've noticed. I've yet to start a training regimen because of a sciatica.

u/dilettantess · 4 pointsr/keto

Sounds like someone needs to get over their SJW-centric rage blackouts.

And possibly ease off on the testosterone injections a little.

Meanwhile, for actual reading on the topic:

(Don't worry, Taubes couldn't be any more dispassionate in his writing; you're safe from any threat of sentiment.)

u/KetoKelly · 4 pointsr/keto

> How do you handle your doubts?

With science.

Dietary cholesterol and saturated fat don't cause heart disease. Carbs (and the accompanying insulin response and inflamation) cause heart disease. I understand the science behind that statement, so I have no reason to doubt it. Also, serum cholesterol levels are an absolutely shit predictor of heart disease.

Do some reading. Good Calories, Bad Calories or Why We Get Fat are good choices. Watch Fat Head.

Side note: If you have doubts, is there a chance that's effecting your food choices? Are you eating enough fat? Fat is critical if you want to see losses on keto.

u/Scarykidscaringkids · 4 pointsr/keto

If you want to know the science as well as anecdotal evidence supporting low carb and against the Standard American Diet, here's a list of books for you to read:

u/jerf · 3 pointsr/science

Have you actually read Good Calories, Bad Calories? And I mean, read it, not let someone else tell you what's wrong with it without you having to bother cracking the cover.

Even if it doesn't end up convincing you, it is one of the best science books I have ever seen; there are hundreds of citations and no, they are not all just the "in favor" ones, the best of the conventional mainstream thinking are cited as well. If only every book were as well done.

If you are actually scientifically inclined, you should read the best counter-case you can, and that's probably it. If you can actually come away from that with your opinion unchanged, then at least you'll have come by it honestly.

Shocking as it may seem, it is not merely community-word-of-mouth behind those facts you link. Actual peer-reviewed studies can be brought to bear in favor of those facts, in quantity. If you want the citations, the book I mentioned has them, also in quantity.

u/parl · 3 pointsr/keto

If you want to have a book, I'd recommend Why We Get Fat for something easy, The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance for something targeted at athletes, and Good Calories, Bad Calories and / or The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living for heavy Science. Living also has some menus IIRC.

u/rosuoammdo · 3 pointsr/science

I know somebody else already said it, but check out /r/keto. On a ketogenic diet (or even a not-ketogenic low carb diet), you can eat less without hunger. If you want a scientific explanation as to why this works, check out this book.

u/DreadyVapor · 3 pointsr/fasting

This is by Gary Taubes and it's adapted from Good Calories, Bad Calories which details the insulin hypothesis of obesity. AWESOME book!

I am reminded of when I was in my 20s and I started going to the gym. I did 45 minutes every day on the f-ing stairmaster for a year (before I finally gave up). I wasn't obese back then - maybe 25lbs overweight - but I didn't lose any weight at all. None. I was so frustrated and I felt so horrible about myself. Now I know why, after reading so many books and articles like this, but knowing this back then would have saved me so much heart ache. And gym membership fees. ;-)

u/_Jon · 3 pointsr/mildlyinteresting

stop eating flour and sugar.

read "Good Calories Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes.

u/jeff303 · 3 pointsr/bestof

If you have a lot of time on your hands and a very keen interest, read this. If you have a lot less time/interest, then read this.

u/lastshot · 3 pointsr/science

Gary Taubes's book Good Calories, Bad Calories is one of the best books I have ever read, on any subject.

u/splatula · 3 pointsr/nutrition

There are definitely better introductory books, but I would recommend reading Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes at some point for a (well researched) contrary take on conventional nutritional wisdom. The first part of the book especially is pretty solid. The second half is more speculative, but Taubes is very open about this.

u/DownhillYardSale · 3 pointsr/keto

It's unfortunate that you do not recognize that the nutrition medical professionals get is a blink.

There are people here with literally more knowledge about the ketogenic diet that some doctors.

My friend is a medical student and is about to become an M.D. - she knows from experience the education she and others received and it's lacking.

This is why people see things and balk. If you were more educated on the subject you would realize why that is there.

I suggest starting with this:

u/nutritionsteve · 3 pointsr/nutrition

As a breakfast, the granola cereal sounds reasonable. Is she eating it with milk? One cup of 1% milk will tack on another 100 kcal, but that's still okay in most cases. Of course, her overall kcal target for healthy weight loss will depend on her height and age. With those you can estimate her basal metabolic rate and then multiply by an activity factor, perhaps 1.2-1.5 depending on how active she is. Then take that number and subtract 500, which should equate to losing about one pound per week. Of course, this is the traditional thinking of calories in = calories out, which I don't believe is entirely valid. Indeed, there are Good Calories, Bad Calories as the excellent book by this title explains.

u/lessofme · 3 pointsr/loseit

I can't believe nobody else has said this yet (though maybe they did and I missed it):

Low-carb. Go low-carb.

Do you eat sugar and starches compulsively? Does it feel as though, no matter how much you eat, you still need more food? An hour or two after a meal, do you already want another one? Does trying to just "cut back" or count calories make your body scream at you to eat?

You need low-carb.

To put it as simply as possible, if you eat a lot of carbs, your body has likely been thrown completely out of whack. You eat flour or sugar, and your insulin levels go rocketing upward; a while later, they drop precipitously, making your body cry out for more in an attempt to stabilize the situation. But eating more only makes them rocket up again, and around and around you go. After years/decades of this, your body is pumping out vast amounts of insulin on a routine basis, leaving you with far too much in your system; however, your tissues have become numbed to it (ie, have become insulin resistant), meaning that it continually takes more to keep your blood sugar under control. Eventually the system begins to break down, leading to pre-diabetes, and later on full-blown Type II. Additionally, all the insulin coursing through your veins is the primary cause of your body's over-enthusiasm to store fat.

That's all terribly over-simplified, but for a more in-depth explanation, read this, and for an even more in-depth explanation, read this. To get you started for now, read this.

I am not shitting you: if you have carb issues (and as a pre-diabetic, you almost certainly do), going low-carb can change EVERYTHING. It can be a little bit of a challenge at first, but after a week or so it gets much easier -- it was far easier for me than any of the standard calorie-restricted, low-fat diets I've done, and I've done more than my share of them. Once you're on track, the compulsive eating vanishes. Your appetite drops off, your energy levels go way up, a surprising number of assorted physical complaints diminish. And most importantly, your weight starts to drop, quickly and without struggle.

I can vouch for this, because this is what happened to me. I've been obese for my entire adult life, and have made so many long, grinding efforts at standard diets -- always failing in the end -- that I was convinced there was just something inherently wrong with me. Then someone right here in r/loseit told me about low-carb dieting, and I decided, what the fuck? Why not give it a try? The worst that happens is that in two weeks, I'm still fat, which was going to happen anyway. So I tried a two-week "experiment," just to see what would happen.

That was nearly seven months ago. Since then, I've dropped roughly 80 lbs (of roughly 150 total that I need to drop) and feel for the first time in my life that I can be whatever size I want to be. Hell, a lot of the time I don't even feel as though I'm "on a diet"... it's more like, in soviet russia, diet goes on you. As long as I don't eat more than a certain number of carbs per day, the weight and everything that goes along with it, that all just takes care of itself.

Low-carb diets aren't a fad, they're not a crash diet, they're not unhealthy, though people will tell you all of these things. What a low-carb diet does is allow your body to regain its equilibrium and begin to correct all of the problems that have accumulated from a lifetime of eating refined carbohydrates. There are a lot of ways to go about it -- it's not all Atkins, although that's a perfectly valid place to start. But even just getting the major sources of carbs out of your diet -- the flour, sugar, and starch -- will almost certainly make an enormous, rapid difference in how you feel and what you weigh. It does require some effort, and it does require some sacrifice. Changing how you live your life is never easy. But compared to the tortures of a carb-based, low-fat, calorie-restricted diet (that doesn't work to address the real problem anyway), it's a walk in the fucking park.

If nothing else, it's worth a try. It's worth considering. For me, it literally changed my entire world. And I'm an Oregonian, too -- would I lead you astray? :)

Good luck, girl. I hear you so loud and clear my ears are bleeding. Think about this, and please, please ask if you have questions.

u/nickiter · 3 pointsr/keto

Either of Taubes' books. Why We Get Fat and Good Calories, Bad Calories. There are dozens of others, but those are my favorites.

u/collyblom · 3 pointsr/rupaulsdragrace

Them's fighting words girl. Talk to me again after you've watched this video. and read this book and this book. Until then sit yo' ass down and shut the fuck up.

u/stinky_nutsack · 3 pointsr/keto

Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes go a long way to laying this info out in great detail. A little heady at times but worth it.

u/Bridgemaniac · 3 pointsr/keto

Does Peter Attia count as someone you would trust? Or Gary Taubes?

Long-term diet studies are incredibly rare in either direction, because it is incredibly expensive/difficult to know that the test subjects are eating the diet they say they're eating, especially long term.

u/teenMom86 · 3 pointsr/explainlikeimfive

Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health

Calories that spike your insulin response will, over time, create a hormonal imbalance (insulin / leptin) that leads to increased hunger, lethargy, and weight gain around the midsection.

u/nathos · 2 pointsr/4hourbodyslowcarb

It's pretty much a modified low-carb plan, focusing more on the glycemic index. I think Tim's "cheat day" helps in two ways: 1. keeping you on the plan long-term and 2. preventing your body's metabolic rate from getting too low (as if it were fasting).

As far as the science, I think Gary Taubes covers a lot of it really well in "Good Calories, Bad Calories".

u/ReverseLazarus · 2 pointsr/keto

I loved this book.

And this one, as well.

I haven't read any books on IF, but the transformation my body went through was enough for me on that front. 😊

u/TechReader01 · 2 pointsr/DeadBedrooms

Gary Taubes' Low-Carb Diet;
It's worked for a LOT of people. Fats are OK, meat & protein are good, carbs are EVIL. Here in California, In n Out's "Protein Style" burgers are the perfect lunch.

u/i77 · 2 pointsr/

Already done. It's the "War on Fats and Cholesterol", and it has been a total disaster.

u/pchiusano · 2 pointsr/science

Another take on this: Gary Taubes' Good Calories, Bad Calories. I'm only partway through, but basic claim is that calories per se are not what's important (calories are an extremely crude method of measuring the energy content in food and don't really take into account how your body metabolizes different foods). What's important is the kind of calories you consume. Also, according to Taubes, there is no real evidence that that dietary fat causes obesity or any other health problems - he reviews the science that's been done to establish this, and it's actually pretty sad. Instead, he claims processed carbs and sugars are the real culprit.

u/taubian · 2 pointsr/skeptic

Plenty of science rooted analysis in that, with 150 years references raked over to suggest it's not simply thermodynamics for weight loss (calories in versus calories out).

u/leftyscissors · 2 pointsr/keto

We have been fed bad information about nutrition and how our bodies process food for the last 40 years. If you don't mind a nonfiction book now and then, pickup Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. If you don't have time for a book, the documentary Fat Head covers many of the same topics. There is more to it than thermodynamics (calories in vs. calories out).

u/pumpalumpagain · 2 pointsr/keto

Give Good Calories Bad Calories a read first. Then try reading The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith. She was a vegan for 20 years and it caused her some major health issues. She really points out the fallacies that the vegetarian lifestyle is based on very clearly. In the mean time you can watch all the videos found here, and this post from March 14 by Taubes is great, pay special attention to the second paragraph. Does she want you to watch Forks Over Knives? That movie fails entirely to address the weaknesses inherent in observational studies.

u/billcube · 2 pointsr/keto
u/Drpepperbob · 2 pointsr/keto

Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It

Or this if you want a more in depth version of the above title

Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health

u/rkmike · 2 pointsr/loseit

Kev, we all try different paths to get us to where we want to go. If this works for you that's great, but for me it wouldn't be sustainable long-term. HcG just seems a little scammy to me, however if you're committed to it, I would throw in some vitamin D too. Breaking 500 is a great first step (it is nice to see the numbers drop!). I do worry that you're not getting enough real food with this diet.

I started well above where you are now so I know where you're coming from in wanting to get it done with (I still don't like to tell others how bad I got). I've tried most of the diets and fads out there, but what finally turned me around was reading Tim Ferris' 4hr body, Gary Taubes' Good Calories, Bad Calories, Rob Wolff's Paleo Solution, Loren Cordain's Paleo Diet and Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint. I've culled what works for me from these and have been eating pretty much Paleo/Keto since November. I've dropped over 50lbs since then at about 2000-2200 cals day. I know it's not biggest loser territory, but slow and steady wins the race. Most of all, it's something I can live with long term. So far my only exercise has been walking and some stationary bike.

What made the change easier for me was I found a lifestyle rather than a diet to follow. That's not to say I haven't had the occasional setbacks (god I miss pizza and beer), but I'm getting there and you will too. Best of luck on your quest...

tl/dr - Plan's not for me, don't be afraid to try something else. Knock em dead kid!

u/BrainInAJar · 2 pointsr/Vegetarianism

Stop eating so much pasta.

you likely gained weight because you're using a lot more grains in your diet than before, and grains haven't been a significant part of our diet for longer than about 10,000 years. Way too short for evolution to have adapted.

When you eat carbs ( starch, sugar ) your insulin goes up, and there is only one thing that causes adipose tissue (fat cells) to expand, and that's insulin.

Read this book and then when you're about to make pasta, instead make lentils or something.

As for protein, it is impossible to be protein deficient unless you stop eating food. All food has protein enough to keep you alive and healthy. If you're trying to build muscle that's a different story but otherwise you're fine I guarantee.

u/Ajju · 2 pointsr/berkeley

(1) They didn't ban sugary drinks like NY, so it's not quite legislating choice.

(2) They voted to PUT IT ON THE BALLOT. So it's certainly not legislating choice.

(3) Kickbacks? I didn't see a connection between kickbacks and this story..unless Michael Pollan is paying city governments to ban sugar.

(4) The "Sugar is really bad" theory is now as accepted as "Global warming is real" within scientific circles. Yet, I bet, less than half as many people realize this. If this tax only serves to make people more aware of this, I'll be happy!

u/puma721 · 2 pointsr/AdviceAnimals

yeah... but actually its the way that your body processes the processed sugars/flours vs the way that it processes fat. "fat" doesn't just stay as "fat" that finds its way to your body, its digested and broken down much differently than a simple sugar is. You can't do simple calorie counting because your body releases certain hormones in response to certain inputs.

Pretty piss poor explanation on my part, but if you do some reading on the subject... its actually pretty interesting.

u/simplelessons · 2 pointsr/keto

If you/your wife are worried about heart issues with red meat you should 100% read good calories, bad calories by gary taubes. He goes in-depth about a lot of the "heart myths" out there and covers the "science" we were taught vs real science.

u/cunty_mcunt · 2 pointsr/keto
u/WiSeIVIaN · 2 pointsr/keto

If it interests you, this book helps wade through 100's of nutrition studies, and give perspective on why popular dietary beliefs exist.

Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health

u/bygonegamer · 2 pointsr/Fitness

I recommend all read this book that think all calories are the same. Food affects hormones and have different metabolic efficiencies.

u/IrishDesi · 1 pointr/nutrition

For years the mantra was "a calorie is a calorie," but recently a more nuanced view has been emerging. There is some evidence that the hormonal response (mostly insulin) to sugar is more counter productive to weight loss than what the number of calories would suggest. Always Hungry, by David Ludwig, MD, PhD (an endocrinologist) goes into this theory some. Another theory is that fat+sugar+salt creates an intense pleasure response that is addictive. Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes gets into this.

Personally, I think diet and metabolism are highly individualized and really too complex to nail down hard and fast rules. If you are concerned about how sugar is affecting you, I'd suggest experimenting with it and seeing out it goes. I have no doubt that some people are more sensitive to it than others. For me, all the above seems to apply. Sugar definitely makes me hungrier and also makes me feel tired and gross, but again, I don't think everyone is the same.

Always Hungry:
Good Calories, Bad Calories:

u/CaptainFalconer · 1 pointr/pics

Kind of an oversimplification though.

Certain calories, or diets are more predisposed to being stored as fatty tissue than others.

100 calories of sugar follows a very different digestive route than 100 calories of protein.

Insulin resistance can also play a big role in whether or not a calorie is stored as fatty tissue or not.

u/Tazkill · 1 pointr/keto

Yes dear, I knew exactly which article you were referring too. Now how about you go read about him from his own website and compare notes? He is very clear about everything he has tried, when it was and the science behind it.

But honestly if you would like a science backed book instead of just one man to tell you calories are not that simple then I would recommend -
Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health

u/Kream · 1 pointr/ketogains

Hi all. I'm currently guiding around 10 people through the diet -- inner core of family and friends and word of mouth is spreading quickly.

I tend to use the following books for them:

  1. Why we get fat
  2. Art and Science of Low-Carbohydrate Living
  3. Good Calories, Bad Calories

    The first one is an easy-to-digest paperback while the second one gets a bit more into the "how" of keto. GCBC is an exceptionally good book for anyone interested in the details.
u/jeremyfirth · 1 pointr/Fitness

I'm happy to help. Now I'll re-address your second set of questions. :)

  1. Recovery is as important as working out. Light days are fine, but sometimes not doing anything is better. I fear you may not be getting the calories you need to recover adequately eating vegan, but I'm sure you take calcium-magnesium supplements (which will help a lot) and that you eat lots of nuts. Like, lots. Peanut butter is also great. I'll talk more about that in number 3 and 5.

  2. Want to make Body Step more intense? Try doing it with a weighted vest. 10 lbs. for the first week, then keep stepping it up in 5 lb. increments each week. Then the 6-7 workouts a week will sound a little more insane. It's definitely better to run outside the gym than inside, but really, running is not that good for you. It increases your cortisol levels (the stress hormone in your body that causes inflammation) and takes your heart rate up to 130-150, but then it's just steady there, which doesn't really train your heart to deal with stress very well. A much better option is to do high-intensity intervals, such as sprints. So instead of running 3 miles, you run 10 X 100 meter sprints, with 30 seconds rest inbetween. It doesn't sound like much, but you will feel a lot different at the end of that 1000 meters than you do at the end of your 3-mile run. If not, you're not sprinting hard enough. Give it a shot, and see what you think. To make it harder, lower the rest time.

  3. If you've made any changes to your diet at all, you're probably going to lose weight simply because now you are exercising as well. Really, people obsess way too much over diet, and since you already have a proclivity to anxiety, I would say that it's not something worth obsessing over. Exercise is going to have a positive effect on you. You might not lose 40 pounds this month, or even 10 pounds this month, but you will feel better, your anxiety will be less overwhelming and you will be in a better mood. The simple diet plan is to shop around the edges of the grocery store (where all the fresh food is) and avoid the middle aisles (where all the processed food is) as much as possible. Being a vegan, I imagine you're relying a lot on pasta/breads/potatoes to get your calories. I would submit that you should rely more on nuts and healthy fats like avocado (fruit or oil), olive oil, coconut oil, etc.

  4. I also have an anxiety problem, and I want to tell you that caffeine makes it worse. Exercise is a great tool for overcoming anxiety, and another is sunlight. If you live in a place where it's too cold to work outside, please do yourself a favor and buy a desktop sun lamp. That has helped my anxiety SO much, I can't even tell you.

  5. Focus on what you can change, and take care of the rest when you have no doubts about what you're pinching between your fingers.

  6. Eggs are awesome. They're the perfect food. A person can live on eggs and avocado alone. I'm totally serious. A great book you may want to read (it's a hefty tome, but worth it) is Good Calories, Bad Calories. Your views on the idea that eating cholesterol is bad for your heart, and that fats are bad may change. I highly recommend the book and I highly recommend eggs.

  7. You didn't ask a seventh question, but I have an additional thought for you. Hypnotherapy has gone a long way in helping me overcome my anxiety. You might want to look into it. At the very least, you can download some anti-anxiety hypnosis sessions from the internet and try it out for a low cost/free.

    Good luck!
u/Homericus · 1 pointr/

Just a little (unsolicited) advice from someone who has lost the weight.

I'll admit it was relatively easy for me, mostly because I had enough time to prepare myself simple meals, and I'm willing to eat similar things every day, and I had the information that made choosing foods simple.

First off, you are correct that exercise doesn't cause you to really lose much weight, especially exercise that is aerobic. It just makes you hungrier and you make up for the burned calories by eating more. Some progress can be made using heavy weightlifting, but diet is 90% of weight loss.

You said it is simple, but I wonder exactly what you mean by that. If you mean what I'm about to say, sorry for repeating what you already know. My sister understands what I'm going to say, but her job, etc. makes it difficult for her to have the useful types of food available.

Ok, after that preface, the easiest way to lose weight is to eat a ketogenic diet (i.e. less than 30 g of carbs a day) and just eat as much food as you want. You complain about hunger, this diet will solve that. Just keep eating until you are full, but NO EXTRA CARBS. If you want the scientific backing for why the food pyramid is killing you and grains and sugers are infinitely worse than saturated fat, buy Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.

For a long time before reading that book I too was a hater of the overweight. Then I realized that most of the time, they are mislead on what is healthy (pretty much all refined low fat grains, which are terrible for you) and what is unhealthy (fatty meats, which are actually good for you). Someday the U.S. will wise up to this (maybe) and there will be things that are ACTUALLY healthy available in restaurants, grocery stores, and as snacks, but as of right now you would have to buy and cook a lot of meat/smoke meats/eggs. I constantly hear people talking about how some person is fat because of all the butter or bacon they eat. It's not that stuff, it is the chips and low fat crackers and soda.

Imagine laying off carbs is like going on methadone for food. You end up not hungry (the insulin from the carbs is what makes you hungry) and you lose weight rapidly (3 lbs a wk or so). If you choose to change, great, but if not, having the knowledge at least means you can make the choice more informed.

u/tangman · 1 pointr/WTF

That isn't even a scientific study, it's a survey of so called "experts".

At this point in time there is such a wealth of knowledge around ancestral health and nutrition that it is inefficient for me to try enumerate them. Instead, there are a number of very well sourced books on the topic. Here are two of the big ones. In them you will find abundant references to scientific study.

The Paleo Answer by Loren Cordain

The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf

Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes

u/JrMint · 1 pointr/TwoXChromosomes

> She's been chugging down slimfast everyday for the past 4 years

That can't be helping. I find it astounding how much disinformation there is out there about weight control and "diet". You could do your sister some good by informing her of better, legitimate information about these subjects that don't come from companies who want you to be fat so you'll buy their product.

Start with Good Calories, Bad Calories.

u/IlliterateJedi · 1 pointr/keto

Read The Straight Dope on Cholesterol beginning to end to have a better understanding of cholesterol.

After reading The Straight Dope on Cholesterol, read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.

Dr. Attia and Gary Taubes teamed up to form the Nutrition Science Initiative, which is actually sponsoring research on fatty liver disease. Their books and websites are a great resource on what's going on in your body when it comes to insulin, cholesterol, etc.

u/IforOne · 1 pointr/skeptic

Eh, usual argument about veg. oil being very high in n-6 polyunsaturated fat, that that's probably not good for us (apparently increases inflammation, and there's apparently good data to backup that our ratio of n-3/n-6 consumption should fall in some specific range - we don't get enough n-3; we're generally not adapted to a diet as high in polyunsaturated fat as we're eating).

On the other-hand, the saturated fat hypothesis seems to have generally failed.

Also reading though

u/wolfehr · 1 pointr/askscience

While this doesn't directly answer your question, I just started reading a book called Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health by Gary Taubes that delves into this exact question and is so far chock full of studies and citations. It's general approach is to provide the reader with a full picture of the relevant research and let them decide for themselves.

I'm only ~10% of the way in, but so far it seems to suggest that the type of calories you consume does have an impact on weight, health, and longevity, and it's not as simple as fat vs carbs. Things like the types of fat consumed, ratios of different types of cholesterol, etc. seem to have an impact as well.

Something else important to note is that it's very hard to do controlled studies of this type because it's impossible to only move one factor at a time. For example, if you want to test the impact of a high fat diet, you necessarily have to either decrease calories of a different type or increase the number of calories all together. That makes it difficult to tease out causation.

Again, I don't know the specific answer to your question, but if you don't get a good answer here I suggest checking out that book.

u/JohnnyBsGirl · 1 pointr/AskReddit

Keto means very low or no carbs in your diet. There are also specific food groups in paleo that you can't eat in keto and vice versa. I'm not super familiar with the keto diet, frankly, so I'm not really the person to ask. I like fruit and sweet potatoes. I tried out paleo for a week after doing some research and talking to a co-worker who has been paleo for awhile. I also ending up reading Gary Taube's Good Calories, Bad Calories. There are definitely some valid criticisms of his science, but a lot of what he wrote seemed pretty compelling, and by the time I finished the 600+ pages, the results of my own personal experiment sealed the deal.

u/MrCompassion · 1 pointr/todayilearned

Here's some stuff to get you started. I don't know why I'm posting this since A. basically no one wants to hear it, B. everyone wants to stay on their high horse morally and look down on fat people as somehow weaker and dumber subhuman morlocks who can't understand the second law of thermodynamics, and C. no one wants to think that the system is more complex than calories in, calories out and that the body can regulate metabolism to deal with calorie excess or restriction.

One of the best places to start is with Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. The last 160 pages of this book are cited sources. It's free at your local library and it's got sources galore. The only knock on this book I've seen is that Taubes himself is not a scientist, which is true. He didn't do the science he simply collected the available science and wrote a book based on what the science says. What the science says is that calories aren't the issue.

That book can be dense so there's a more accessible version out there called Why We Get Fat. Same info just far less dense.

Or you could check out his AMA and/or this answer to the calories in calories out question

Either of these will keep you busy for months and both have more cited sources than you can shake a stick at. The gist is that calorie restriction works, kind of, until you remove the restriction. Most of the time it does not do anything to lower the amount of adipose tissue a person has. Any weight loss comes from other sources. Insulin restriction, through lowering carbohydrate (and especially sugar) intake is what makes adipose tissue shrink.

Edit: Here's a pretty good summation of GCBC

u/Ohthere530 · 1 pointr/explainlikeimfive

This is a controversial topic.

The traditional nutritional advice is that all calories are equal, and to lose weight you simply need to eat fewer calories. Further, nutritionists advised that fat and especially saturated fat were bad and caused all sorts of disease.

Lately, an alternate view has emerged that eating carbohydrates tends to make your body burn less calories and creates an urge to consume more. In addition, fat and even saturated fat turn out not to be bad for you.

This article gets into the debate. "On the very low-carbohydrate diet, Dr. Ludwig’s subjects expended 300 more calories a day than they did on the low-fat diet."

Two books to check out are Good Calories, Bad Calories and The Big Fat Surprise.

I am now persuaded that calories are not all the same.

u/CharlieDarwin2 · 1 pointr/nottheonion

Calories are not equal. A sugar calorie is not the same as a fat calorie. Eating sugar will spike insulin which causes energy to be stored in fat cells. Eating fat doesn't spike insulin so nothing is being stored as fat. [Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health]

Further, eating carbs and sugar makes a person hungry 2-3 hours after eating. Insulin clears the body of energy. All the energy is gone in the blood, and insulin blocks the fat cells from releasing more energy. A person has to eat again. When I eat sausage, eggs, and butter for breakfast, I can easily go 6 hours without eating and not be hungry.

u/StellaEtoile1 · 1 pointr/keto
u/silisquish · 1 pointr/mbti

Leptin is the new kid on the block, but leptin cannot do its own job if insulin is always too elevated. It has been decades now that we've known insulin, hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance are the drivers of obesity (and also help cause other major diseases of civilization). These are caused by constantly eating too many carbohydrates (humans are omnivores but as we get closer to present-day it's obvious we have a carnivore bend to our evolution and our bodies simply can't handle the high carb diets we're currently eating).


Read this book and you will understand why what I've just told you was on the losing side of a political battle, and is thus mostly ignored. Or start by listening to the first 20-30 minutes of this interview or to this and this to get an idea of what's in the book (note: Gary emphasizes obesity but then talks about the other diseases of civilization. Obviously he's just a starting point as well but he properly documents the general incompetence of nutrition/disease prevention researchers).


Only highly competent doctors who are focused on disease prevention have managed figure this stuff out - even then, some didn't believe it either until they saw patients that seemed to contradict what they were taught. Or in the case of Terry Wahls and Richard K. Bernstein, they were well on their way to dying and had to do something to heal themselves.

u/rAtheismSelfPostOnly · 1 pointr/INTPBookmarks

Things to Buy

Iraq Research

Congress Related

Health & Exercise
Green Tea

u/ImHereAtLast · 1 pointr/todayilearned

Sure, because I must be a fat activist to think CICO is bullshit.

u/jtbc · 1 pointr/CanadaPolitics

Gary Taubes' Good Calories, Bad Calories is the most comprehensive popular discussion I am aware of the effects of various macronutrients and their effects on diet and health.

I can't speak for the accuracy of the science behind the book, but I found it interesting and readable.

u/ampoth · 1 pointr/Futurology

Listen I know you think you have this right, but I'm telling you, research has never found a strong link between dietary fat and blood cholesterol. There is a strong link between blood cholesterol and heart disease, and I'm not saying high blood cholesterol isn't bad, because it is. But your blood cholesterol is regulated by hormones which respond to what you eat.

Listen if you really want to learn about this I'd recommend starting with Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. I'm not saying a vegan diet is bad, it's a very healthy diet, but for people who are insulin resistant it's not a very good answer usually, potatoes are worse for someone who's insulin resistant than eggs and bacon. You can even do a keto diet and be vegan (/r/veganketo/) at the same time. Your fat and protein sources are just from plants, which is harder to do/find for most people.

I'm not saying that a vegan diet is bad, or that a diet with meat in it is better, what I am saying is that you're wrong about what causes cholesterol in the blood and insulin resistance. If you'd like to know more I've provided sources. The vast majority of people know the common knowledge about dietary fat being "bad" but it turns out those guidelines published in the 70s and 80s had very little scientific basis and were incorrect.

u/Grif · 1 pointr/Health

First, let me say, I cannot really provide a solution for you, but I can share what has worked for me. I have not been as overweight as you but I have at times in my life been significantly overweight (not in mass but in % body fat) and as I am becoming older, I had found it increasingly difficult to control. My point is, you need to try things to see what works for you. Keep a daily journal of how you feel (energy, attention, brain function, etc) so you can do some experiments on yourself.

What has worked for me is adopting (what appears to be the latest fad) the paleo/evolutionary fitness model for diet and exercise. I eat little or no processed foods (e.g. read Pollan, and other rules of thumb...if it doesn't spoil, don't eat it, never shop in the inside area of the supermarket, if it comes out of a box, don't eat it, etc.). I don't drink soda, juice, or anything with sugars (just unsweetened coffee or tea, water). I eat a lot of meat, eggs, fish (no worries on fat favorite lunch is a sandwich from the local deli called the Three Little Pigs, without the bread, it is smoked ham, pork bbq, and bacon). I eat some dairy, primarily full fat and fermented, like Fage Total plain yogurt (with a little fresh fruit and shredded raw coconut). I eat all my favorite vegetables slathered in full fat butter (from the farm if I can get it). This may sound like a low-carb, Atkins type diet, but it isn't. That isn't to say going low carb won't help you lose fat quickly. Nevertheless, it isn't the main point. The main point is to eat as our ancestors did some 10,000 or more years ago, as evolution has not caught up with our recent use of grains in our diet and certainly not processed foods. Another thing I do is intermittently fast. At first somewhat forced, but now just because I am not hungry. I can typically eat dinner (say around 5pm) and not eat again until around lunch the next day.

As far as exercise, I avoid long aerobic activities unless in pursuit of yard work, handling the kids, or sport (like tennis). No treadmills, distance running, or biking. I do walk or ride a bike for transportation, but I am not getting winded. I do lift weights, usually once a week, using only large muscle groups and free weights, and very intensely. It takes about 20 minutes, but given its intensity it is brutal...but over quickly. I introduce a bit of randomness into the exercise frequency and variety of exercises (e.g. maybe twice in one week, maybe I will do a bunch of pull-ups one night or push ups). Sprints are intermingled with this, sometimes just as part of playing with the dog. Again, the point is to expose the body to stresses in an irregular but intense pattern, as perhaps were encountered by our ancestors.

The result is that I am probably a month away (after approximately 9 months total) from having washboard abs, I have great energy levels, stamina and focus. I no longer wake up with aching joints. I don't get low energy levels after eating (unless I really stuff myself). Keep in mind, I am in my 40s. I was 210 and very soft and pear shaped when I started, now I am 185 and back to a youthful V shape.
The only negatives I can speak to is a diminished ability to find quick and convenient food sources and missing bread, pasta and a pizza once and a while. I really don't miss sweets, but I don't think I was that hooked on them in the first place.

Finally, let me give the sources that drove me in this direction. Take a look and see if you are interested in trying it. As I said, I can't say that it will work for you, but it has worked for me.


Art Devany Evolutionary Fitness

Keith Norris

Mark Sisson

Richard Nikoley

Seth Roberts (more about self-experimentation and the value of fermented foods)

Weston A. Price Foundation


Gary Taubes, Good Calories, Bad Calories

Little, McGuff Body by Science

Weston A. Price, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration

Mark Sisson The Primal Blueprint

u/kaleidoughscope · 1 pointr/science

It's not a fad diet. Have you checked out my sources? And of course my sources are those that agree with my opinion on this lifestyle - I'm not going to quote Oprah or something.

> An opinion based on "we used to eat this so it must be good", which is flawed.

Why is this flawed? I'm not making a naturalistic fallacy here, as it's not my sole argument.

> We ate what was available and some of it was good, some of it just kept us alive.

Most of it was good. We've twisted our food supply in the interests of money making in the past few centuries.

My information is based on very rigorous scientific studies that challenge the conventional wisdom - and rightfully so. Americans are the fattest people on Earth, despite years of advice from national health institutes. Much of what is recommended is based on Ancel Keys' faulty research on the "link" between cholesterol/saturated fat and heart disease.

If you're interested in the science of nutrition and where I'm coming from, this is the one book I recommend. Even if you don't read the book, read the amazon comments - it's quite illuminating.
Good Calories, Bad Calories by Science Journalist Gary Taubes

u/lxUn1c0 · 1 pointr/science

The flip side of that is that insulin tells your body to refuse to remove energy from fat cells, and eating a carbohydrate-heavy diet dramatically increases your insulin levels. Thus, people can run a caloric deficit and not lose significant weight, but simultaneously experience starvation at the cellular level if their diet is too carb-heavy.

EDIT: Not sure why I'm being downvoted, because it's factually accurate. Sources: Good Calories, Bad Calories; Why We Get Fat; Wheat Belly. There are more, but these are some of the best, fully-sourced books about the subject.

u/redthirtytwo · 1 pointr/IAmA
u/vurplesun · 1 pointr/AskReddit

I'm not actually. I don't eat out. I have celiac disease. But, I watch the shows and I know people who are. I am, however, very interested in nutritional science and have done real research.

Start here.

Then read this.

And, if you can swing it, go to a university, sneak in, and read through some of the recent journals.

Then, form an opinion and discuss it intelligently.

Also, it's kind of rude to jump to another post a person has commented on to snark at them about something completely different. LOL.

u/amalgamator · 1 pointr/keto

Read my comment again. I shoot for 1g protein/lb lean mass. Protein is good stuff. Preserves muscle and blunts hunger. I don't know about you, but I can't eat 2000 calories of just lean protein. So what else can you eat? It's either carbohydrates or fat.

In this study the keto group saw worse outcomes than higher carb. They lost more muscle and less fat than the carb group. So perhaps having a few carbs isn't a bad idea?

We haven't gotten their data on hunger and satiety. The best diet is one you can stick to.

What is funny is this study was funded by Gary Taubes - the one saying that there are "good calories and bad calories" and we should all go low carb. Yet this study he funded just debunked his whole premise.

u/klumpp · 1 pointr/SubredditDrama

Nah, you're wrong. If you'd like to learn more, check out this book.

u/jtmarmon · 1 pointr/keto

I don't think so, for the reasons mentioned by many other people in this thread (i.e. addiction is addiction).

Two things have really helped me with the "longing" aspect:

  1. Cut out fake sweet stuff as much as possible. No atkins bars, no fat bombs, just eat meat, eggs, fish, water, etc. The more your tastebuds get accustomed to this style of eating, the easier your cravings will fade away.
  2. Learn the science behind why sugar and carbs are bad for you. I recommend reading one of Gary Taube's books. Why We Get Fat is more digestible than Good Calories Bad Calories. For me, before I read these books, keto was just a very successful and easy diet plan. When I read them, I started to look at carbs and sugar in the same light I view cigarettes, alcohol, etc.
u/Solieus · 0 pointsr/Fitness

Good calories, Bad calories by Gary Taubes:

u/Lostpollen · 0 pointsr/Nootropics

Thanks for the links.

Okay so this may, or may not be a revelation, but obesity or any excess fat accumulation would not occur if not for the carbohydrates in the diet.

Trans fats are bad, agreed. Carbs are worse.

99.9% of western diseases are caused by the refined carbohydrates in the diet.

Have a look at this

u/UnicornBestFriend · 0 pointsr/nutrition

There isn't one universal diet because everyone has different nutritional needs. The only thing I can say for sure is that getting rid of processed food, cutting down on or eliminating sugar altogether, and eating a lot of vegetables (NOT CANNED!), are steps in the right direction. And eat a variety of veg - those colors are useful markers for the nutrients within. That's right. No more Doritos Locos tacos, no more Pepsi, no more Oreos.

If you start there and stick with that diet, your body will get accustomed to eating real food. Then you can introduce your junky foods and see how your body reacts and tailor your diet from there.

The right diet will give you steady energy, a feeling of satiety, and a positive mood.

Nutrition isn't one-size-fits-all, that's why there are so many different diet books out there and a ton of fat people. One of the best things you can do for yourself is to take the time to learn about what your body needs.

These books changed my life:

The Metabolic Typing Diet - eat according to your body's needs. Includes a regimen to follow which can really help with getting to know your individual requirements.

Good Calories, Bad Calories - a fantastic read that gives a good idea of how food works in our bodies.

EDIT: This will also give you a starting point for recipes. I am a hella lazy cook and try to do things in one dish. Most of the stuff is made in the oven so I don't have to babysit. But hell yeah, you can roast some protein and veg in the oven. You can even boil protein and steam veg on the stove. Or sautee it all in a pan. And eat it with a slice of avocado!
That's the other thing about starting a new lifestyle. Forget complex recipes. Learn how to prepare food and learn to enjoy it in its natural state.

The rush of energy you get when you're eating the right thing has nothing to do with the seasonings; a humble salmon fillet on a bed of blanched kale will give you the same muscle pumping RAWR! as a miso-glazed salmon fillet over wilted kale tossed with pine nuts and coconut-wasabi creme. U feel me? Get the basics down first. Mark Bittman's How to Cook Everything is a great place to start. It comes with 2000 recipes too.

u/rapishorrid · 0 pointsr/funny

This is not true at all. What you eat is by far the most important factor in body weight and overall health. Your body responds to and uses different foods in different ways. Some foods promote fat accumulation and some do not.

While the law of thermodynamics dictates that if you're getting fatter you're expending less energy than you're taking in, this information is so obvious that it's useless. As Gary Taubes points out, it's like saying the room got more crowded because more people came in than left. This tells us nothing about why the room actually became crowded.

In terms of diet the law of thermodynamics definitely applies: a necessary condition of getting fat is expending less energy than you take in, and a necessary condition of expending less energy than you take in is getting fat. The problem is that this does not provide a direction of causality! Popular opinion says that more energy in than out causes fat accumulation, but rigorous empirical research says that the reverse is much more likely to be true.

The bottom line is that the body is a complex system where what you eat plays a major role in determining whether or not you accumulate fat, and therefore whether or not you expend less energy than you take in.

u/maxm · 0 pointsr/Denmark

Fedt er ikke usundt og det er billige kalorier. Kartofler, ris, bønner, fedt kød, indmad og grøntsager. Så bliver det ikke meget sundere.

Drop chips, sodavand, dårlig chokolade og cigaretter, så er der penge til de andre ting.

edit: det er fint at downvote, men myten om at fed mad gør en fed er for længst aflivet. Følg med i forskningen please.

Eller den her:

Der foregår en del interessant inden for fx sportsmedicin hvor marathon og ultraløbere klarer sig bedre uden kulhydrater og med en masse fedt end omvendt.

u/AboveAverageFriend · -1 pointsr/funny
u/LeProcrastinationGuy · -4 pointsr/getdisciplined
u/jackson6644 · -6 pointsr/explainlikeimfive

My own guess is that it's slamming Carl Sagan, who is like the patron saint of a lot of Reddit, and positively quoting Crichton, whom a lot of the more alarmist climate change types have been demonizing for over a decade because he points out how much bad politicized "science" there is out there.

If it makes it easier, take a look at Gary Taubes' writing on medical research and the nonsense that gets published there:

u/paloobintern · -11 pointsr/loseit

Im sorry but most of what you said isnt true. Its not that simple. Have you read this book?

Sugar has a lot more to do with it and thermodynamics doesnt apply completely because humans are not 100% efficient. Also this study:

The fact is weight loss and weight is alot more complicated than you are trying to make it seem, and that is harmful to people who are fat through no fault of their own.

I'd like to flag that you are completely ignoring medical conditions that make people overweight. Do you have any idea how it makes those people feel when you judge them the way you do?

Jeeze, the responses to my post almost completely prove my point. Some self awareness would go a long way around here!!

u/TheeAccountant · -13 pointsr/wallstreetbets

Actually, nothing to do with what you just said. Fat people have damaged liver and/or endocrine systems (insulin control problems) that prevent them from using stored fat for fuel so they are driven to eat because they are literally starving on a cellular level. They’ve proven this in rats where they starved obese rats to death. They starved to death but were still fat when they died. It’s probably the vegetable oils breaking liver function or something in the modern diet (GMO wheat?) that triggers the breakdown in the metabolism. A Keto diet will cure it, the weight will fall off, but you can never eat like your skinny friends as you’ll gain all the weight back.

EDIT: thanks for all the down votes. Good to know there are Registered Dieticians that are autists too. For those of you who are wondering why you’re fat no matter what you do:

You’ve been lied to and it’s quite profitable

Exercise doesn’t make you lose weight

It’s the Insulin, stupid (not the calories)

“One illustration of the error in a calorie is a calorie can be found in a small but very well controlled study in the American Journal of Physiology in 1992. Healthy insulin-sensitive young males were used as their own controls. After a 12 hour lead-in fast, half the subjects were totally fasted for another 72 hours while the others had 105% of their caloric need given intravenously as pure fat (Intralipid). The results are quite astounding: the two groups showed almost the same weight loss whether they were completely fasting or eating more calories than they needed as pure fat. The other blood values – ketone levels, blood glucose, insulin levels, etc. – affected by the total fast were duplicated in those subjects getting the intravenous fat.”