Reddit reviews To Train Up a Child: Child Training for the 21st Century

Could be worse. Could be using this book as a reference.

I'm glad you found peace of sorts, but I'd never wish the experience on anyone else in lieu of wisdom. No one has to get their legs cut off to enjoy a walk.

Your father sounds like a Michael Pearl follower.

It's just different here in the US. Right this second, there are kids languishing i Christian gulags being emotionally and physically torture in what's laughably called "reform" camps. They are there for things as being "rebellious or "choosing" to be gay or some other shit wherein they pissed off their parents. Look up Kidnapped for Christ. That film producer was a Christian who thought she would make a film about the wonderful and positive impact that these Christian camps were having on kids lives. When she left, she was questioning her faith due to the abuses when witnessed. Might want to pick up a copy of Saving Alex. A Christian (Mormon) girl who was gay and her parents signed their parental rights over to a couple who claimed they could "fix" her. This was after they tricked her into going. So much for that commandment about not lying, eh? Anyways, she was beaten, made to endure stress positions, carry a heavy backpack or rocks that represented her "sin" of being gay, etc. She cried out for help from the towns people but being a heavily Christian place, no-one would help her. She was able to escape with the help of a school teacher.


Then there are the children who've died because of the "advice" in the book: How to Train Up a Child. More-or-less, beat the shit outta the kid until they get with the program.


There's also no shortage of stories about pastors molesting kids, endorsing violence, etc. Here's one pastor who's bragging about punching a kid in the chest because he wasn't "taking the lord seriously." In it, he said there's times when beating a kid is "needed".


Here's one calling for the rounding up of gays and putting them into camps. After this went viral, one of the church members decided to go on CNN w/ Jake Trapper. This was before he announced he was gay. Anyways, the interview is stuff of legends unto this day.


So yes....there is problems w/ Islam. But IMO, there's no true difference between them. Under the right circumstances, I'm sure my fundie co-worker down the hall would be cheering and chanting about throwing the gay guy in my office off the roof of the building.

The disgustingly popular book To Train up a Child advocates just that.

Whipping an infant requires a lighter touch than a tween, but their solution to a baby with colic is to beat them until the fear of pain trumps the pain of acid reflux.

One of the common tips is to use lengths of plastic water hose, the kind used to run water to a refrigerator's ice maker, to beat the child. It supposedly maximizes pain while reducing the risk of welts and broken skin. Parents are advised to keep whipping-ready lengths hanging around the house, so kids know a beating is always just an arm's length away. Fathers are advised to occasionally wear a length around their neck so the kids know a beating could happen at any second.

Is it any wonder so many religious folks are violent and psychotic when they're raised in an environment of constant pain and terror?

Lots of people genuinely believe in the values espoused in Johnny Cash/Shel Silverstein's A Boy Named Sue and in the book To Train Up a Child which has been linked to a number of deaths. "Gotta toughen them up."

Here is a list of some of the greatest Websites I have found on this topic so far:

Spank with Love

http://www.lchr.org/a/23/8a/main.html

Spanking Implements Pain Chart

http://imgur.com/gallery/pfXh0ri

Best website to buy Spanking Implements from

http://www.paddledaddy.com/impact/

The Roy Lessin Method of Spanking

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpareNotTheRod/comments/6iwsqm/how_to_spank_a_child_using_the_roy_lessin_method/

What the Bible says about Spanking

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpareNotTheRod/comments/6j1s7g/what_the_bible_says_about_spanking_christians/

How to spank kids Guide according to Maria Dolores

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHRgO3Moqd9VyH7Og1kB-aXlE4erBUb98MZeEfTCCIM/edit

Spanked Children grow up happier and commit less crime

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/6926823/Smacked-children-more-successful-later-in-life-study-finds.html

"To Train Up a Child" by Michael and Debi Pearl. A book on how to discipline/spank a child the correct way.

https://www.amazon.com/Train-Child-Child-Training-21st-Century/dp/1616440724/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501166220&sr=8-1&keywords=to+train+up+a+child

The "christian family values" I believe you are referring to are not Christian.

A prime example of this is How to Train up a Child by Michael and Debi Pearl. This monstrosity has led to child deaths. The "family values" they discuss are all about power and control. Children are not living beings but property. God is used as a tool, as an excuse for manipulation, abuse and rebellion against whatever enemy the practitioner thinks. You find "sovereign citizens" etc among this group at the extreme.

Contrast that with Catholic Social teaching > The video by Pope Benedict is excellent.

Or contrast with https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/social-justice/the-importance-of-the-family.html

The prosperity Gospel people see children as a resource, property, life insurance plan, free labor something to be controlled and manipulated.

Real Christian family values see them as a gift, a human, a living example of Christian love.

> As you are well aware nobody is killed for leaving christian religions but it is all too common in islam.

As you are well aware, I just talked about some ways people get killed for leaving or not participating in Christianity

They attack towns, they mount murderous invasions, some kill their kids for leaving the church, they write books about brutally publishing your kids like in the Old Testament which repeatedly leads to cases like this, they have public calls to "kill the gays", they actually killed Tennessee Williams and dozens of others just since Harvey Milk; you name it, they've done it and well after the Great Awakening too.

Also, as you may be aware by now, I live in a city that's 1/3 muslim and that shit doesn't happen here. The number of American muslims who are worried they'll get killed for NOT being muslim is
absolutely infinitesimal.

>Islamic terror is common and rampant. Not so for Christian terrorism.

Islamic terror is common in the Middle East, parts of Africa, specific regions of South Asia and the Indonesia area. Christian terror is common in Lebanon, the rest of Africa and Northeast India, and was in the very recent past common in Ireland, Northern Ireland, Eastern Europe, the Phillippines and the United States (where it was and remains often quite ineffectual due to the sheer incompetence of the KKK). Christian terrorism is currently roughly as common as Islamic terrorism in America (both rates are a tiny fraction of a percent), but lower per capita.

This book might help:
https://www.amazon.com/Child-Child-Training-Century-Updated-Expanded/dp/1616440724