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You and your mother are experiencers. Most people keep these details within the family as it is socially unacceptable to talk about. Many people approach this topic with the ontology that you saw a physical craft that is distinct in it's existence from you and if you had not been there, it would have still appeared - that you're being there was just a random probabalistic outcome.

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As you study UFO's you will realise this is not the case. You also realize that when experiencers tell you that he/she and their family members see UFOs, you are not being told the full story and that there is other "abnormal" experiences going on. I do not mean that you are crazy. I mean that when you find someone who sees UFOs and it is in their family, it is highly likely that they also experience other abnormal phenomena (presence, psi, ghosts, esp, precognition, outlier behavior). This is all part of it and normal.

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Its about you. You participate in the phenomena itself. We don't know how or why yet, but i would recommend you start meditation practices and research Robert Monroe if you have not already. It seems separate from UFOs, but it is not.

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You can learn how. I taught myself years ago by recording my dreams. I progressed from basic dream recollection into lucid dreams, and then willing myself out of body during lucid dreams. Read up on it, and think about it during waking life. I recommend you read Robert Monroe's Journeys out of the Body. This way you will be more likely to think about it when you sleep. Learn to relax your entire body in bed, practice closed-eye visualization. PM if you want more info.

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Have you ever read Journeys out of the body by Robert Monroe? He describes a similar light and was later able to experience out of body experiences. Though some people claim that what he really experienced may have been lucid dreams.

hi, sorry so late for a response, and if you did research on Monroe you may have found this info already, but if not, here is the website to the Monroe institute

Monroe Institue

And I read about that particular instance in one of his books...thisone if I'm not mistaken...

You definitely weren't dead but it sounds like what is commonly described as a near death experience. Maybe it has something to do with the tension or stress of being in the room by yourself as the known center of attention all the while being required to lie down and the mind reaches out for a bigger perspective. We still really have no idea why the mind does this when it does. But the situations are very predictable and this episode matches the classic scenario.

Of the few people who can share a story like this it usually only happens once in their life. And then there are the rare people who have it several times. Consider reading one of Robert Monroe's books just for fun.

And consider yourself lucky. Maybe a little bit charmed. You have a great life experience to share with others who are open minded. Thanks for sharing it here.

You don't need to be a psychic because everyone already is a psychic.

As far as practice, it really takes 3 weeks before most people will see improvement with any new skill. I would even say give it 3 weeks for the shock of change to wear off and more like 3 months to really feel comfortable. (Kind of like going to the gym). This M.D. talks about the 3 weeks thing early in this book.

An interesting take on psychics currently employed in government is when Robert Monroe talks about bumping into a secret service agent in the astral when the President was visiting his town (I think it was his first book. You gotta wonder if those secret service agents are being trained in all forms of security detail - including psi attacks.

And if psychics in groups can do defense work, I"m sure they can do offensive work as well. This is the conspiracy forum and I don't have any hard evidence, but you gotta wonder how someone like Tiger Woods falls off so hard. Gets caught in a scandal where he loses billions of dollars in sponsors.

You think the guy down the street gets pissed losing a few thousand on NFL Sunday? Imagine how mad sponsors would get after losing billions? (You can't exactly lay physical hands on a figure as prominent as Tiger Woods - very similar to all the "meltdowns" we see from pop music stars all the time - Kayne, Britney, etc).

How many back surgeries is Tiger going to have? Someone needs to tell this guy he needs a witch doctor not a surgeon. And he's been "cursed" by a powerful CEO sorcerer with even more powerful military wizard friends with lots of cool top secret toys.

It's not that much of a leap to imagine corporations like Nike or AT&T have access to classified government technology either. Colonel Corso in "The Day After Roswell" even says this is how they keep reverse engineering secret. The tech gets farmed out to private corporations and reported to the public as "breakthroughs" or "discoveries" from a Boeing or Dow or whoever.

Mind control tech would fit right in with athletes or musicians or actors (Tom Cruise, Will Smith, Scientology, etc). Nothing becomes popular or gets to the top of any charts that will reach millions of people without first having to confront this very real reality of thought control and influence.

Tiger Woods father was a very smart man. He didn't say his son would be more important than Gandhi without good reason. I just don't think his father knew the specifics of how the impact would play out.

Also, the topic is not remote viewing, but I do cover the surface layers of it in a videocast I just did about aliens. I had promised in an earlier thread I would eventually get around to telling that story so here it is if people are still interested: Part 1, Part 2 - and I hope to have Part 3 next week.

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/

If you want experiments conducted in a scientific manner under controlled circumstances read about Robert Monroe. He pioneered and audio technique to get the two hemi-spheres of the brain to sync: http://www.amazon.com/Journeys-Out-Body-Robert-Monroe/dp/0385008619

Pretty interesting stuff.

Congrats and welcome to the club...or maybe almost to the club (though it sounds like you were possibly close). :)

There are tons of books out there on the subject of Out of Body Experience / Astral Projection. You will find that authors generally fall into one of three categories: -1- traditionalists (with occult explanations for OBEs); -2- realists (believe OBEs are entirely internal experiences, lucid dreams, or some other natural phenomena / hallucination); -3 - mystics (believe the realms explored are real or diverging realities / planes of existence).

I've read and amassed a small library on this subject because it became very important to me when I started regularly having OBEs. Through my reading and personal experiences, I definitely recommend starting with two of the better known authors in the mystical camp: Robert Monroe (who has already been mentioned), followed by William Buhlman. The books you want are Journeys out of Body and Adventures Beyond the Body. These books will do a good job of covering many great OBE techniques, as well as provide inspiration and motivation. They're good reads too... :)

Some may recommend books by Robert Bruce, but I would advise against his stuff (at least in the beginning)...his energy work is an interesting approach...however, if your goal is to gain OBE / AP quickly, there are better methods.

I am currently working my way through Explorations in Consciousness by Frederick Aardema. This book is very very good. I would go so far to say that it is possibly my favorite book on the subject. The author does such a great job of pulling together information on the subject from all sides...it is (mostly) a non-mystical take on OBEs, but completely objective and inclusive of all possibilities.

Anyway, the topic of OBEs is something that is very personal and you should formulate your own conclusions. Give it time though and remain open. Read as much as you can on the subject. I think you'll find though that once you have a full-fledged OBE, you will figure out what you believe rather quickly. For me, I simply "knew" it was real. Hard to put in words, really beyond this knowing.

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I believe the answers you are looking for can be found in this book: https://www.amazon.com/Journeys-Out-Body-Out-Body/dp/0385008619

There are some really good books about it. I think Robert Monroe might be helpful: http://www.amazon.com/Journeys-Out-Body-Robert-Monroe/dp/0385008619

There's also a really old book that is still extremely interesting and a great read: http://www.amazon.com/Projection-Astral-Body-Sylvan-Muldoon/dp/1447402251/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318623003&sr=1-1

You might be interested in the book Journeys Out of the Body by Robert A. Monroe. This guy had similar experiences fairly often and wrote most of it down. Including contact with entities, travelling to far away places and much more.

I recommend this book, full of experiences and tales of the astral realms.

Edit: wrong link.

Read Robert Monroe's books Journeys Out of the Body, Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey. It may help alleviate some of those anxieties.

Oh Robert Monroe's books are an absolute delight to read. He's very articulate.

In short, he had a business in radio in the 50s. Then he started having spontaneous OBEs. This goes on for 10-15 years, and he wrote down every single experience he had. He then developed Hemi-Sync, a series of binaural beats to help people concentrate, sleep, etc.

Not overly dramatic, very down to earth books. Even if you don't believe one yota of what he says it's still a freaking awesome read. But I'm certain you'll identify with the three books. You have to read them in chronological order, that is: Journeys Out of The Body, Far Journeys and then Ultimate Journey.

Having read these books and some books on shamanism it's very interesting how often the two make similar points.

>Again, it is not their historicity that is important - you said yourself that doctrine isn't any more true because it is older and I agreed.

Well, let's distinguish age from accuracy. By "historicity," I mean the degree of verifiable reliability of a text. Something can be old but still be reliable. However, the gospels do not appear to be a reliable record. Only an old one.

>The "proof" you seek will most likely never come to you if you are approaching it from this angle. This is not something you "think about" for a while and then "get". It is something you live, and then experience. I mean this in a very practical sense.

I look at it like this. Claims of miraculous events are made about a man. He walks on water, raises the dead, casts out evil spirits, converts water to wine, multiplies fish and bread enough to feed a small army. He's purported to have said that he's the son of God. And not in the colloquial way they used back then, that we were all "sons of God" or "children of God." And not even in the way that the regional kings used. He's purported to have said that he's the direct issue of the creator of the universe. Half man, half deity, and no one comes to his dad but through him.

If this person was standing in front of me right now, saying these things, I'd back away slowly and keep my hand on my wallet. If other people were saying these things for decades, in an oral tradition where facts get mixed up and the storytellers embellish, and it's getting translated from Aramaic to ancient Greek in the process, I think I'd have even less reason to believe their claims. I don't think it's a bad angle to say, "I'm not so sure about that" until shown otherwise. What I live and experience never crosses over into a realm where such claims become compelling.

And I do actively explore the possibility of the supernatural. I just don't do it from a theistic perspective. While theistic perspectives of this phenomenon do exist, they are decidedly outnumbered by non-theistic experiences of people who have no particular implulse towards challenging or doubting the claims of any religion. Of course, I readily admit that their claims are just as potentially suspect as those of a theist. But these are claims that I can actually test.

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Our survival instinct is wound too tightly, which leads to this suffering. What you see as banalities are actually the distractions from this suffering, but the distractions themselves are as material as the source of distress; and distractions are, by nature, only temporary. A better satisfaction is probably tuning into a sense of compassion and right action. Meditation will help you cultivate this, and it will allow you to approach distractions and suffering with patience and love.

Our banalities are part of a nature we choose to accept when we take this form. The form is not ideal, as I said. Perhaps because its creator is not perfect, or perhaps because the flaws are by design. Whatever the case, when you are done here, it will be as if no time as passed at all. You will look back on it like the single blink of an eye. All the strife, the pain, the disease will be a page in a book without beginning or end.

There's a trilogy of books on this subject written by the late Robert Monroe that you may find illuminating. They're listed here. You may not believe what he has to say. But consider it food for thought.

the hard part about it is that there's positive things mixed up with negative things. so you're left figuring out what's what--or maybe you're not. Are you her boyfriend? I get the sense you wish you were, or it's something like that, even if you're a same sex best friend. It sounds like it may be you who needs to let go.

But without being there to fully assess the situation, I would bet it's exactly what you called it: "some sort of shortcut with dealing with a lot of personal issues." It's not that the spiritual stuff doesn't have immense truth. But all to often people new to "the path" use "the path" as a way to avoid facing their real problems. And it definitely can be dangerous. But it also can be just the outlet they need. Sometimes people need a positive outlet whatever that is, to be obsessed about it, etc, if that takes them away from their problem. One of their primary problems before usually is that they are obsessed with their problem. Maybe later she can circle back and examine it (rather than avoid it) with new eyes.

Spirituality at its core is all about questioning your own motivations and intentions. I urge you to do just that, not just hers. If you're able to be open and honest with your intentions, you may be lucky (though its not a guarantee) and it rubs off on her and she gets honest about hers. But either way, you first. Make sure your intentions are straight.

If your intentions are straight, and your coming fully from a place of concern--why not immerse yourself and learn what she's learning. Here's your reading to do list:

-Robert Monroe (the grandfather of out-of-body experiences). Read his first book: Journeys out of Body

https://www.amazon.com/Journeys-Out-Body-Out-Body/dp/0385008619

-Drunvalo (The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life). This is likely stuff she's into. Along with stuff from the Spirit Science Videos (they pretty much borrowed Drunvalo's whole speel). Here's the youtube playlist of their animations that made them famous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmN2RL4VJsE&list=PL2C2FBAB7E002EE3E

-if you really want to get into it read Thomas Campbell's My Big Toe (Theory of Everything). Read the first book.


I could list a million more out-of-body experience slash astral projection authors. There literally is millions of people experiencing mystical states my friend, and tens of thousands writing books about it. Basically your dream nature (i.e. where you invent whole realities in your head while you sleep) is closer to your true nature than what you experience here on planet earth on a daily basis. That is to say you're a sort of imagination machine. That's what all these authors are saying. There's a whole movement around this stuff. Immerse yourself if you really care. Otherwise, you're a dilettante feigning concern for ulterior motives. Your friend is on to something big here.

Thomas Campbell pioneers a concept called "Open Minded Skepticism." In western secular culture, we're too skeptical. It destroys our ability to imagine, to tap into our true spiritual imagination capabilities that you experience every night when you sleep. However, some people like I think your friend here are too "open minded." According to Thomas Campbell--and from my own experience--this conversely is problematic because it leads people to feel as though they know things they did not experience for themselves, which kills any real motivation to ask questions and figure things out on their own. In short, these people that think they know everything about spirituality can become know-it-alls, doing it for the wrong reasons, and miss what they really should be learning. So you need a balance (as with everything). You need to be open minded, but you need to be skeptical until you verify possibilities through your own experience. I.e. your own experience out of body, in mystical states, etc.

You seem like the more rational one. In Drunvalo's Ancient Secret of the Flower Life, he champions a concept of "Left Brain vs Right Brain" and the idea that male thinking is the more rational left brain side whereas female thinking is the more imaginative intuitive heartfelt right brain side. Specifically what he champions is that we western scientific secular people need to use logic to convince the left brain that what the right brain intuits is true. You need to spiritual logic to convince yourself to live in your heart. Our logical minds need to consciously understand the consciousness system we are living in, in order to live up to our true more intuitive imaginative nature.

Again, you're an imagination machine, with more powers than we currently feel and know we are capable of. According to Campbell (who by the way worked at Robert Monroe's consciousness exploration facility), we are baby consciousness in a petri dish called "planet earth" designed specifically so we can grow ourselves into higher/greater consciousness. So we live in an experiment. It's an experiment that is trying to grow us. It's also trying to get better at growing us. It's a virtual reality. And outside of this reality is more virtual realities, and so on. That's how consciousness works. Like in Men in Black when you zoom out and see one reality inside another. Got it!

So your job is to convince your left brain that a shred of any of this is true by doing your homework and reading what the many who've gone before you have said. I invite you to amazon.com. Good luck!

https://www.amazon.com/Journeys-Out-Body-Out-Body/dp/0385008619/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523115319&sr=8-1&keywords=robert+monroe

This stuff was all researched pre-internet. Books are your friend.

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It's not magical, although I can understand why you'd use that word. I'm sure you've heard all the stories about people leaving their bodies during operations, after a car crash, things like that. Well, it's the same thing, except he is able to induce this state at will. It's not that rare, but it is very difficult for most. I can't do it. But then, I don't want to, because one of the drawbacks is you might start doing it spontaneously and have no control over it.
This book explains it all:
http://www.amazon.com/journeys-out-body-robert-monroe/dp/0385008619

There are later, far more advanced studies, but Journeys Out of the Body, along with Dr. Raymond Moody's casual study called, Life After Life, pretty much got the ball rolling on the topic in the 1970s. (I've also read books about obe's written in the late 19th century.) I found the first one the more interesting of the two.

One book is this and the other is this. Both by Robert Munroe.