Best assyria, babylonia & sumer history books according to redditors
We found 377 Reddit comments discussing the best assyria, babylonia & sumer history books. We ranked the 89 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
All my knowledge comes from the book Destiny Distrupted
Tamim Ansary goes into great length to describe the fortifications of Baghdad saying that in his opinion it was the most well defended city during that time period (at least on par with Constantinople). It was built between the narrowest part of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, and had walls multiple layers of towering walls surrounding it.
In the "Islamic World" at that time Baghdad was the end all be all. It was a cultural and scholarly city, rich in trade, and arrogant with power. Up until that point Islam had spread rapidly and suffered few defeats and no demoralizing ones. The Library of Baghdad is less famous, but probably more important than the Library of Alexandria in just the sheer amount of books and knowledge that it held. Backing up these realities are the teachings of Islam that preach it is the one true religion and all must acknowledge it. The common thought was "with God on our side, how can we lose?"
So when Baghdad DID fall it wasn't just barely, it was complete and utter defeat and it destroyed the Islamic world's confidence in itself.
The Khan had no bridge with which to cross the river to continue his conquests, so he ordered the books of the library to be thrown into the river and the troops to walk across them. It was said that the river ran black for a month! The defeat of Baghdad was not a local event, but sent shock waves throughout the entire Muslim world and in the author's opinion it has never recovered. Even today Islam reviles the invading Mongols and sees nothing great about Genghis Khan or Hulagu Khan. They destroyed Islam's confidence, their knowledge, and a part of their culture.
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Dan has been busy: https://www.warremains.com/
He’s also writing (wrote?) a book: https://www.amazon.com/Hardcore-History-at-Extremes-ebook/dp/B07H4ZBVPR
Did your professor buy into Wars of the Anunnaki: Nuclear Self-Destruction in Ancient Sumer?
> The author explains how the Anunnaki came to Earth from the planet Nibiru seeking gold to repair their ozone layer. Using genetic engineering, they created modern humanity to do their mining work and installed themselves as our kings and our gods. Anunnaki god Enki had a fatherly relationship with the first two humans. Then Enlil, Enki’s brother, took over as Commander of Earth, instating a sole-god theocracy and a war against the clan of Enki and humanity for spoiling the Anunnaki bloodlines through interbreeding. This shift imposed a blackout not only of the very human nature of the Anunnaki “gods” but also of humanity’s own ancient past on Earth.
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> Two of Enlil’s attacks against the Enki clan and humanity are described in the stories of the Deluge and the Tower of Babel. His final attempt, after coercing the Assembly of the Gods into voting yes, was the nuclear bombing of 5 cities of the Jordan plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah, which resulted in the destruction of the Sumerian civilization and the Anunnakis’ own civilization on Earth, including their space port in the Sinai. The author reveals how, after each attempt, humanity was saved by Enki, chief scientist Ninmah, and Enki’s son Hermes.
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Relevant books:
Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations
1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed
Let me recommend to you Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes. The author is a fantastic writer (as well as a narrator, the audio book is quite good), as well as being from a devout Afghan sufi family. He gives a thorough account of the intellectual and philosophical traditions of the Islamic world couched within the frame of historical events from the pre-islamic world up to modern day.
It's a good read and goes into what so unsettled the Islamic world into fundamentalism.
Not OP, just someone who likes reading about other cultures.
I really like Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes.
It's a nice change of pace from the Euro-centric, Christian-centric history of US schools. It's also a really good read.
Maybe sometime around his book release?
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https://www.amazon.com/Hardcore-History-at-Extremes/dp/0062868047/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dan+carlin&qid=1565309621&s=gateway&sr=8-1
Unfortunately, a lot of the readings on the topic are not widely available to the public, since they are in Archaeology and History journal articles. I read a lot of this stuff in university.
However, if you want to get into the Late Bronze Age in general, there are a few really good resources available to the general public.
1177 B.C. The Year Civilization Collapsed is a great survey of the collapse of the Bronze Age civilizations in the Near East. It's great for understanding just how complex and interconnected the world of the 12th century B.C. and earlier was.
A History of the Ancient Near East by van de Mieroop, and
The Ancient Near East by James Pritcherd both present an overview of the Ancient Near East, though both go into what is considered 'Classical' Near East as well.
Also, anything by Trevor Bryce, is worth a read, especially his work on the Hittites.
Thanks for your questions. As to the first, the whole issue of why the four palaces (Daba, Qatna, Alalakh, and Kabri) chose to decorate with Aegean-style art is an interesting one which we have explored in a couple of articles to date, but it is as yet unclear. I would refer you to an article we published in AJA, which can be found here and another in a conference volume here (follow the bibliography found in the footnotes to articles by other scholars).
As for your second question, there is quite a bit of discontinuity, in my opinion, and so I’m not at all surprised that you start with the Neo-Assyrians. In the book Ancient Empires (see it here), Mark Graham and I put the Bronze Age Empires into Chapter One “Prelude to the Age of Ancient Empires” and then began Chapter Two with the Neo-Assyrians…
Third question: yes, 1177 BC is an attempt to make this material accessible to a wider audience. But I'm not sure exactly what you are asking in terms of "what has your experience been with that?" If you mean how has it been received, it seems to have worked pretty well; my colleagues seem to appreciate that I told things as they are, without beating a particular drum, and the general public seems to like learning about the Late Bronze Age, though some have complained on Amazon that there are too many names and dates and that I didn't give them a definitive answer for why the Late Bronze Age collapse occurred. Yes; guilty as charged — welcome to ancient history, I would say to them! I enjoy trying to make ancient history and archaeology accessible, though it is essential to keep publishing scholarly articles at the same time.
Fourth question: yes, I think is authentic, but I would not put it past Schliemann to have “touched it up a bit”..that beard looks suspiciously Victorian, doesn’t it?
And last, my first “great” find was a small bronze statuette of the Greek god Pan, which was part of a furniture decoration probably from a chair. I found it at Tel Anafa in Israel, on the very first dig that I ever went on.
Interesting article, and an important topic that is not usually well understood when people talk about the issues we're facing in regards to our overuse of resources which replenish on timescales well above human lifetimes. I recommend Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations for anyone who is interested in a more in depth introduction to this topic.
https://www.amazon.com/Hardcore-History-at-Extremes/dp/0062868047
Or on audible with Dan narrating, which is what I'm getting.
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wa 'alaykum al-salam,
You'd want to go to the Syriac sources in that case. This is a handy translation of the relevant ones:
https://www.amazon.com/When-Christians-First-Met-Muslims/dp/0520284941/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486493391&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=when+christians+met+muslism
Also the Armenian History of Sebeos is a critical early witness to the events of those years from a non-Muslim's view.
Tutkittavaa on jäljellä ihan valtava määrä. Lähi-idässä on monia aikansa suurkaupunkeja joita ei ole vielä edes löydetty, puhumattakaan pienemmistä kohteista. Historiallista ainesta tutkimista odottamassa siellä on edelleen ihan käsittämätön määrä. Meillä ei tosiaankaan ole mitään hyvin tarkkaa kuvaa muinaishistoriasta, vaan tulkinnat perustuvat monesti hyvin rajalliseen aineistoon, ja aukkoja on valtavat määrät.
Asiaa ei auta, että viimeiset parikymmentä vuotta lähi-idässä on sattuneesta syystä ollut aika haastavaa järjestää kaivauksia. Kun sota tuhoaa ja paikalliset ryöstävät muinaisaarteita, kaikki odottelu tarkoittaa menetettyä tietoa. Siksi alueilla, joissa voidaan kaivaa, on kiire saada asioita aikaiseksi.
Mitä hyötyä näitä asioita sitten on tutkia? Varmasti voitaisiin jatkaa samaan malliin vaikkei kukaan tutkisi enää yhtään enempää muinaishistoriaa. Omasta mielestäni jo se, että on tietoa, jota emme tunne, on syy tutkia sitä. Ei voi olla mahdollista ymmärtää miksi maailma tänään näyttää siltä, miltä näyttää, ellei ymmärrä mm. lähi-idässä vuosituhansia sitten sattuneita tapahtumia. Näiden asioiden lukeminen ihan jo maallikkona antaa paljon perspektiiviä maailmaan. Itse koen ymmärtäväni esim. juutalaisuuden(ja sitä kautta kristinuskon ja islamin) syntyä paremmin, koska ymmärrän vähän sitä kontekstia, missä se tapahtui. Myös lukeminen siitä, kuinka tuhansia vuotta sitten kuolleet hallitsijat tärkeilivät omilla saavutuksillaan pistää miettimään miten kritiikittä nykyäänkin suhtaudumme ajatukseen yksittäisten ihmisten erityisestä tärkeydestä.
Toiseen kysymykseen voi vastata, että ala ei ole missään hyvin rahoitettua. Siksipä laadukkaista tutkijoista pitäisi pitää kiinni, mistä tahansa niitä löytyykin. Ei siitä välttämättä suoraa rahallista hyötyä ole, mutta tieto karttuu, ja kukaties sen myötä ymmärrys ja sivistys.
Jos oikeasti mietit, mitä hyötyä koko huuhaasta on, mikset lukisi asiaan liittyen itse? Helpompi päättää onko asia hyödyllinen, kun sitä tuntee vähän.
http://www.amazon.com/History-Ancient-3000-323-Blackwell-World/dp/111871816X
Ylläoleva on aika helppolukuinen ja hyvä yleiskatsaus aiheeseen jos asia lainkaan kiinnostaa.
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This thread.
I'll see myself out.
I just finished Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes. Interesting look at how the muslim world sees itself.
Now I'm reading A Short History of Nearly Everything. It's pretty fun for us Lib Arts peasants.
Since we've been waiting for nearly a day for answers in this thread (which is about some of my favorite topics to study), I'm going to list some factors I've read about. I know the mods are strict here, but I'll cite sources for every one of these factors, which I hope will count for something.
As with many distinctions in history, these aren't cut-and-dried. Egypt actually did exhibit quite a lot of cultural, political and religious variation throughout the Old, Middle and New Kingdoms; large swathes of Mesopotamia were unified under single rulers (Sargon of Akkad, Ur-Nammu and Hammurabi, for example) for a century or two, here and there; and remarkably diverse groups of people (Sumerians, Akkadians, Amorites and many others) seem to have lived in relative peace in many Mesopotamian cities.
But the short answer to your question, based on sources I've read, is that the factors above are some of the most commonly cited reasons why Mesopotamia is perceived as more politically unstable than Egypt.
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Šulmu Darkne5, welcome to the subreddit.
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Philosophy in Mesopotamian thought is rather crude, but there is evidence of it.
One of the best sources we have for Mesopotamian philosophical musings comes in the form of disputation literature, commonly known as "Debate Between . . ." with the ellipsis representing two opposed concepts. In these texts, the two concepts argue with each other over which one most benefits the Gods, humanity, the world, and so forth. Essentially, they are snapshots of the Sumerians and Amorites attempting to make sense of the world around them. A few examples of disputation literature include:
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There are also numerous proverbs and wisdom sayings in Sumerian and Akkadian literature. These are often cryptic to our modern understanding, but were of cultural, social, and logical value to the people who originated them.
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Finally, there are also social philosophical ideas as well. These are much harder for me to link to, as few Assyriologists or Sumerologists have written extensively about them. More often than not, these ideas are mentioned in passing, or with reference to larger subject-matter, in academic works. The most important examples of these manifest as dichotomies:
Kalam is a Sumerian word that means "country" or "land," and referred to the socio-political idea of Sumer and Akkad as interrelated nations. Kur, meanwhile, is a Sumerian word that means "foreign" and refers to the lands and peoples beyond the borders of Sumer and Akkad. The dichotomy between Kalam and Kur is, essentially, one of xenophobia and nationalism: everything considered Kalam was acceptable, civilized, holistic, and orderly; while everything considered Kur was barbaric, uncivilized, threatening, and chaotic. As new peoples immigrated, founding Babylonia and Assyria, these definitions expanded to include the new peoples and lands.
The Me are a religious concept that attempts to explain why things are the way they are. Without launching into a lengthy essay on the subject matter, the philosophy of the Me essentially says that the Cosmos is a static creation, set in motion at the beginning of time, and predestined to behave in a particular manner. Each of the Me themselves represents one piece of this greater system, and whichever deity possesses it can put that "cosmic law" to use for themselves and their people.
Nam, meanwhile, is a Sumerian word that means "fate" or "destiny" and serves as the root of the dub-nam-tar-mesh, which we translate as the Tablet of Destinies. The philosophy of Nam states that the Cosmos are not static, but formed and directed by an overarching consciousness, that a Divine Will is behind all of the events that occur. This Divine Architect usually manifests as the Seven Who Decree, and their chosen King of the Gods. This group are tasked with directing the destiny of the Earth and determining the individual fate of all its peoples.
These explanations are woefully inadequate to express the full majesty of the topics, of course, but I simply don't have a lengthy paper prepared on them. So, if you're curious, I'd invite you to pursue the literature linked to, and keep an eye out for the terms mentioned in other works you read.
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You specifically asked about the Enuma Elish and the Epic of Gilgamesh. I would highly recommend reading Thorkild Jacobsen's seminal work, The Treasures of Darkness, which includes two chapters specifically focusing on the philosophical implications of both these texts (chapters 6 and 7 respectively). Jacobsen's work also puts the texts into historical perspective, explaining what the philosophical, religious, and social climate of Mesopotamia was at the time, and how the texts were influenced, and, in turn, what their influences on the culture were.
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Feel free to ask additional questions if you have any. While Mesopotamian Philosophy isn't my strongest suit, I know a little bit about it, and can probably help you find your direction.
He also announced his book release!
The End Is Always Near: Apocalyptic Moments, from the Bronze Age Collapse to Nuclear Near Misses
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You dont think history is full of such examples of arab 'kings' and 'princes' doing shit like this for petty gains? The 40th descendant of prophet Mohammed secretly allied with british against the turkish caliphate in WW I so him and his descendants would form the next caliphate over all the arab lands. He literally begged them for what? so he can call himself a Caliph.
Read Destiny Disrupted https://www.amazon.com/Destiny-Disrupted-History-Through-Islamic/dp/1586488139 to see what the 'Muslim' rulers of the past behaved like. Much like today they used Islam to benefit themselves. The Salman's, the Saddam's, the Mubarak's, the Bhutto's, the Shah's of the muslim lands are not a modern phenomena. Their brand of retard goes back a long, long way in Muslim history.
Destiny Disrupted by Tamim Ansary. Easy read, consistently interesting, and a good primer for anyone looking to learn about Islamic history.
Babylon, by Paul Kriwaczek
Covers earliest Mesopotamia up to the Babylonian age. Not necessarily a resource book, but an enjoyable read that really gives a feel for the time/place.
I am Catholic and learned most of what I know about Islam though university classes and independent research. I can give you a list of books I have read about Islam that will get you started.
Oxford English Koran
Obviously the primary text is important to have and the book is pretty small. Much smaller compared to the bible.
Hadith of Bukhari: Volumes I, II, III & IV
Half of Islamic law is derived from the Koran and the other half from the Hadith. The Hadith is the collection of events, and quotes by Mohammad and his followers. This book is huge and you shouldn't try to read the whole since it is just list quotes and who they are by. But it is a good reference source and something to page through.
Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources
Biography of Mohammad using historical sources. Good reference.
Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes
Brief 350 page run of Islamic history until now as told by a Muslim. I felt the book was a bit preachy and accusatory towards the end but I read it 6 years ago so my memory might be hazy. Still a good read if you want to try to understand how mainstream moderate Muslim scholars see things. It has a good bibliography too.
There are probably a bunch of other ones I am forgetting. Take a look through Amazon and see what else they have. I would only buy books from university presses or published by academics though. They can be dense and difficult but they are peer reviewed which is important since there is so much anti-Islam, pro-Islam publishing out there.
(EDIT: I read your post too quickly, and thought you were asking for textbook recommendations, my apologies. i'll leave my reply here anyways, in case it's helpful for someone. Sorry!)
I just finished teaching western civ 1 with this textbook, and it worked very well. The book is organized around a simple theoretical framework (Michael Mann's Sources of Social Power), and focuses on themes of imperial power / resistance which helps to structure the vast amount of material it covers. The students really liked it, and it told a strong enough narrative that I was able to focus most of the time together in the classroom on in-depth case studies and primary source discussion.
The book focuses mostly on Neo Assyria through early Islam, so you have to supplement on either end if your course has more chronological coverage (I added a week on early Babylon and Egypt, and then dug deeply into Neo-Assyria and Persia, Greece, and Rome for the rest of the semester - for which this book was ideally suited).
And it's pretty inexpensive, easy to unde and the students said good things about it in my evaluations.
Cline and Graham. Ancient Empires (Cambridge University Press: 2011).
There's a fascinating book called Lost Discoveries that tells all about the surprising non-European, non-Greek origins of mathematics. EDIT: Corrected link formatting.
Šulmu, /u/KlingonLinux! I gotchoo on "Canaanite" and Israelite (they were more or less the "same" people religio-culturally for most of Antiquity, and definitely genetically/ethnically) and Punic/Phoenician (Iron Age Levantine ["Canaanite" and Israelite peoples and so on] peoples abroad throughout the Mediterranean as far West as Southern Spain/the island of Ibiza and North Africa) sources, awīlu.
Some necessary clarification : I routinely put "Canaanite" in scare-quotes, because there was no definitive, proto-national much less national identity for so-called "Canaanites" in the way that Israelites and Judahites eventually had by the 1st millennium BCE, and the people of Syro-Palestine during the Middle to Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age would overwhelmingly identify and operate by clan, by tribe, or by city-state before calling themselves and operating as Knaʿni (Ugaritic, meaning "people of Canaan"). "Canaanite" religious forms consonantly varied quite noticeably by city-state, in ways that, say, Egyptian ones did not, even taking into account "alternative" (but not competing) Egyptian local theologies and so on. Speaking in perhaps excessively general terms, there was a State religion overarching the regional ones in Egypt which, in effect, bound them together as a cooperative dynamic unit. "Canaan" as such had no such large-scale, cohesive "religious infrastructure" of Egypt's much less Mesopotamian Kingdoms' and Empires' like, and it didn't "help" that the exceptionally powerful Egyptian Empire of the Late Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom Periods and contemporaneous Mesopotamian and Hittite Empires were constantly vying for control of the North Sinai and Syro-Palestine. The economic centers of "Canaan" were, indeed, frequently subservient to Egypt throughout Bronze Age history, with Egyptian Kings investing governors and mayors of its own throughout "Canaanite" territories following the Thutmosid Conquest, much to the personal danger of said governors and mayors (who were neither particularly liked nor trusted by their Levantine subjects nor by Egyptian officials) and much to the cantankerous chagrin of the Levantine peoples living under Egyptian Imperial rule. Which is to say nothing of Egyptian-mandated relocations of restive Levantine people and so forth.
Furthermore, Hebrew Biblical literature intensely confuses what "Canaanite" even means in a religio-cultural sense, using the term simply to inveigh against religious beliefs and conventions, regardless of actual origin, Deuteronomic Jews did not wish to see carry over from their ancestral religion(s)/culture(s) and from neighboring religions/cultures (e.g., Mesopotamian and Egyptian religions/cultures. See Leviticus 18, Deuteronomy 7, and Ezekiel 23 as but three illustrations of the aforementioned) into newly-minted Judaism and what had then become the Israelite-Judahite "national" identities (primarily in politically-motivated defiance, it should be noted, of their later Master, the Neo-Assyrian Empire, which had made of the internally-fractured Kingdoms of Israel and Judah satellite states through rigorous opportunistic military conquest and serious economic and political strong-arming, beginning with the great and cunning King Tukultī-apil-Ešarra/"Tiglath-Pileser" III). A few scholars and especially many would-be Revivalists not academically-trained frequently, unwittingly hang their understanding of "Canaanite" upon all this confusion -- and the latter not in anything like a Jewish context nor through a Jewish hermeneutic, either, while still treating iffy Jewish accounts embedded in Scripture entirely too literally, which makes it an even more weird and defunct confusion.
Now, it's very important to form a baseline understanding of the historical circumstances of the Near East concerning "Canaan," what came out of it, its influential neighbors, and religio-cultural receptors. I know it feels like unnecessary drudgery to many people, but the religious tidbits don't make much sense and their use in/continued relevance to Modernity can't be adequately evaluated without learning and understanding their historical contexts, which is where a lot of would-be Revivalists go very wrong, in my opinion -- especially since "Canaanite" and other non-Kemetic ANE religious Revivals are still very much in their formative stages and aren't being led by people with necessary, thorough backgrounds in Ancient Near Eastern Studies. For this, I recommend beginning with Donald B. Redford's Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times, Marc Van De Mieroop's A History of the Ancient Near East: ca. 3000 to 323 BC, Amanda H. Podany's Brotherhood of Kings: How International Relations Shaped the Ancient Near East, and Mark Woolmer's Ancient Phoenicia: An Introduction. They're not short texts, apart from Woolmer's that is, but they will give you a decent, fairly comprehensive understanding of the circumstances of the ANE.
Concerning "Canaanite" and Israelite, etc., religious details and developments, just about anything by Mark S. Smith, Rainer Albertz (namely, this massive text he co-authored with Rüdiger Schmitt), Daniel E. Fleming, and Dennis Pardee are quite sound.
Stories from Ancient Canaan, 2nd Edition edited by Mark S. Smith and Michael D. Coogan is probably where you're looking to start vis-a-vis "Canaanite" religion(s), as most people like to get at the mythic material first and foremost. After that, I would definitely recommend picking up The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel (Biblical Resource Series), along with Pardee's Ritual and Cult at Ugarit (Writings from the Ancient World) and Nicolas Wyatt's Religious Texts from Ugarit -- there should be a free PDF of the latter still floating around the nets somewhere.
While William Foxwell Albright has since become outdated in areas, his works are nevertheless necessary, now "classic" reads. Of particular use and importance is his Yahweh and the Gods of Canaan: An Historical Analysis of Two Contrasting Faiths
Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan by John Day and the Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, Second Edition are handy, but relatively scarce and expensive.
Tryggve N. D. Mettinger is a much-beloved scholar of mine, though be aware that in The Riddle of the Resurrection: "Dying and Rising Gods" in the Ancient Near East -- one of the very few decent and comprehensive texts in ANE "comparative religious studies" -- wherein he addresses a few major Levantine Gods like Ba'l-Hadad, he unfortunately demonstrates a very poor comprehension of Greek, so if you ever pick that title up please do remember to take his interpretations in the chapter concerning the Phoenician God Melqart with a metric ton of salt.
Aaron J. Brody's Each Man Cried Out to His God: The Specialized Religion of Canaanite and Phoenician Seafarers was a short, widely-accessible, and enjoyable volume; he covers quite a few lesser-known and under-explored elements of Levantine religions therein.
It sounds like a lot, I'm sure, and there's so much more to read and discuss beyond all these, but hopefully this will provide a decent springboard for you into the crazy, wonderful world of Levantine religions.
I hope this helped, and if you need anything else on this, or concerning Mesopotamia and Egypt, feel free to ask anytime.
Does he listen to Dan Carlin’s podcasts? He just came out with a book that your uncle may like
The End Is Always Near: Apocalyptic Moments, from the Bronze Age Collapse to Nuclear Near Misses https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062868047/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_NvQ1Db4FGJDN1
Seconding Kramer, that guy is THE authority on Sumerian Myths. I only recently got my hands on 'Myths of Enki, The Crafty God' If your local college library has a copy go check it out. It had one printing and as far as I'm aware was never digitized... so it costs this much now. https://www.amazon.com/Myths-Enki-Crafty-Samuel-Kramer/dp/0195055020
On the other side... The pagan gods in the Slavic regions were largely stamped out by Christianity, and as far as I know we don't have much in the way of primary source on strict religious beliefs. Not to say we don't have a MASSIVE body of Russian folklore/legend/myth, because we do. It's just hard to parse out a complete mythology because of the thick layer that christianity laid down in the region. You'll still see mentions of Perun and other 'gods' or In some instances Jesus having facets that were thought to be attributed to one god or another. Jack V. Haney is the primary authority in the English speaking world - he's done some good translation(s) of Afanas'ev, who was the Russian equivalent of the Grim brothers. As well as a massive collection which encompasses the entire Aarne Thompson classification index(!).
Permaculture: A Designer's Manual is considered the bible for permaculture because of how comprehensive it is and how much information is packed into that book. It won't explain all of the effective strategies for different climates that we've developed over the last 30 years but I would definitely start there for the foundation. Then move on to books on topics that are specific to a particular topic within permaculture design.
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My Recommendations:
Women and Gender in Islam by Leila Ahmed
Excellent book I'd highly recommend reading it for your paper.
Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations (amazon.com) is probably the single most depressing book I've read in the past 10 years. On the time span of about 100 to 200 years we (the 7-11 billion of us) are pretty much screwed by the agricultural soil erosion issue alone.
History of science books are 80% of what I read, and Bryson's book was great, but many of the books that I'm seeing here are oddly not close to Bryson's in terms of style or content.
Just off the top of my head, The Man Who Loved Only Numbers would probably be an excellent read. It has been awhile, but I remember Lost Discoveries was along a similar vein with a similarly light writing style. How I Killed Pluto is pretty fun as well, although it veers off into personal stuff as well.
Hopefully this means another Carlin podcast is imminent: https://www.amazon.com/Hardcore-History-at-Extremes-ebook/dp/B07H4ZBVPR&ved=2ahUKEwjr7qH_hZXkAhUvIjQIHeVFA8MQFjAAegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3C76EvxjvdCYdEslHgicJV
In no particular order:
http://www.amazon.com/Beirut-Jerusalem-Thomas-L-Friedman/dp/1250015499
http://www.amazon.com/Lawrence-Arabia-Deceit-Imperial-Making-ebook/dp/B00BH0VSPI/ref=zg_bs_4995_5
http://www.amazon.com/My-Promised-Land-Triumph-Tragedy-ebook/dp/B009QJMXI8/ref=zg_bs_4995_4
http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=zg_bs_4995_10
http://www.amazon.com/Arabic-Thought-Liberal-Age-1798-1939/dp/0521274230/ref=cm_lmf_tit_3
http://www.amazon.com/History-Arab-Peoples-Albert-Hourani/dp/0446393924/ref=cm_lmf_tit_4
http://www.amazon.com/Women-Gender-Islam-Historical-Modern/dp/0300055838/ref=cm_lmf_tit_9
http://www.amazon.com/Emergence-Modern-Studies-Eastern-History/dp/0195134605/ref=cm_lmf_tit_10
http://www.amazon.com/Peace-End-All-Ottoman-Creation/dp/0805068848/ref=cm_lmf_tit_17
As a non-Muslim, non-Jew, non-Arab, non-Semite, American, and having read these (yay strict immigrant parents!) and some other histories, as well as having had the attacks of 9/11 give me a neurosis about following the news in the Middle East/Central/South Asia as regards potential US involvement and issues:
A lot feels familiar to me, some of it even seems like stuff I know a good deal about, and a few things about "The Middle East" which is a massively rich and complex sociopolitical place and slice of humanity are things I'd consider myself very well read on.
And I don't know shit.
I can tell you as a native born American and US voter what I think my country's policies (in a limited, broad strokes sense) should be - - - but beyond that, there's very little I've ever seen as conclusive and firm coming from anyone who by dint of identity didn't have 'skin in the game' .
>What's your background, if I may - I'm familiar with some of the historical eras but this stuff is new to me!
I don't have one, just a personal interest in history, especially the classical and earlier eras.
I can suggest this book if you're interested in pre-classical mesopotamia. It's both highly informative and written in a way that's very readable with lots of entertaining anecdotes.
It's been a while but I think the palace economy stuff I read was in another book here I have about the invasion of the sea peoples and the collapse of the bronze age global order (muh globalism!). I can't recommend that book as its really dry and comes to no real conclusion, but you can probably find good books on that era if you go searching for stuff related to sea people.
History of Religious Ideas (3 Vols)- Mircea Elidae Link
Treasures of Darkness - Thorkild Jacobsen Link
Religion in Ancient Mesopotamia - Jean Bottero Link (damn I got this for $20 a few months back, great book though)
Religion in the Emergence of Civilization: Çatalhöyük as a Case Study - Ian Hodder & VA Link
Egypt Before the Pharaohs - Michael Hoffman Link
10/29, available for preorder now though! The End Is Always Near: Apocalyptic Moments, from the Bronze Age Collapse to Nuclear Near Misses https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062868047/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_eR6IDb1KDCW45
this is a great book on the history of islam, egagingly written as an introduction to the religion and its history for casual readers. he writes with pretty much no bias. highly recommended.
Yeah, I was just making a stupid joke.
As for the Islamic view of Genghis Khan, it depends on perspective. Genghis Khan was tolerant of Muslims and even sought after their intellectuals. But he also destroyed their populations. A lot of the estimates of the deaths caused by Genghis Khan's conquest are exaggerated, but that doesn't really affect the perception in much of the Muslim world. There are also a lot of dubious claims as to Genghis Khan's brutality.
It's true, from any perspective, that the Mongol conquest put an end to a long period of Muslim prosperity. Since the days of Mohammed, they had seen very few serious military losses. The common belief among Muslims prior to Genghis Khan was that their prosperity and military success was undeniable proof of the validity of their beliefs. They felt that Allah had blessed them with the ability to win battles and spread their religion. So Genghis Khan turned their world upside down.
All of my understanding of Genghis Khan and Muslim history come from Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World and Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes, both of which I highly recommend.
If you are interested in erosion and desertification, you might enjoy the book "Dirt" by David Montgomery. It's written for the general public, and it's fascinating. http://www.amazon.com/Dirt-Civilizations-David-R-Montgomery/dp/0520272900/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421884885&sr=8-1&keywords=dirt
Also eager for Dan Carlin’s upcoming book -
The End Is Always Near: Apocalyptic Moments, from the Bronze Age Collapse to Nuclear Near Misses https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062868047/
TL;DR: no, there's no drugs or shamanism. Think more modern Wiccan ceremony and less ancient Shamanistic trance-journey.
Long form: The aspects of Shamanism we're familiar with - the trance state, the "journey" to the "spirit world," the separation of spirit-body and physical body -- those are NOT written about as part of Temple practice. And all we have left of Old Babylon is:
Some facts about Ancient Mesopotamian Magic, as we know it now:
Basically, ANE magic is the remedy to solve every problem, because they didn't have a lot of other tools. This translation of Mesopotamian ritual texts, myths, and prayers provides a good layperson's overview of the way "magic" was used. Sometimes, it's ritual, sometimes prayer. Sometimes it's just a quick incantation to describe, and therefore get control over, a problem.
"Apotropaic" is the popular term for Babylonian magic -- almost every instance we have is a prayer or ritual intended to ward off, or turn away, a negative consequence or negative events: everything from passing gas (yes, there's an incantation against breaking wind in the Foster book..) to being convicted in a harsh court system, to illness, death, and actual magical attacks by sorcerers.
Its principles most strongly resemble those of modern western "Ceremonial Magic," minus the Christianity. There's ritual recitations, specific times of the day or night to do certain actions, there's many of Isaac Bonewits's Principles of Magick
To remove a magic curse, you rub the patient with an onion, to get the bad juju in the human to sync up with the onion. Then, you slowly peel the onion, stating that as you peel the layers off the onion, the curse is also being peeled away from the patient. The onion can control the curse, is an effective "handle" by which to "grab" the curse, because it's been put into physical contact with the curse-ee. So as you peel the onion and burn the layers, you can say that you're also removing the curse from the human that the onion represents. When the onion's all burnt, so's the curse! That's the principle of Contagion from Bonewits, or just another day at Temple in Babylon.
To destroy an unknown sorcerer's curse on you, attack the sorcerer, of course. But if you don't know who they are, make a statue (two statutes, a man and a woman, just to cover all the possible cases!), and announce that these statues are your witch or warlock, and that burning them "burns" the real person who cursed you. Bonewits' Sympathetic Principle, or top of the line Mesopotamian evil-fighting technology.
So that was a lot of words to say, basically, NO, there's no drug use, no shamanism, no trance states, and no real dietary restrictions before rituals (though Maqlu requires a ritual bath, I think?).
Your shaman buddies who say "no pork before ritual" are actually pulling that out of their asses, probably basing it on generic cultural prejudices against pork absorbed from religious culture.
Many traditional shamanisms use starvation to create a ritual trance, but taboo foods are 100% arbitrary in all of those systems. Taboo drugs may well be for practical reasons. But many traditional shamans will actually tell you that drug use is overhyped and hardly ever called-for amongst real practitioners. If your shamanism training uses drugs, I'd be extremely skeptical of its authenticity... Not to say it's definitely wrong, but it's highly suspect, as so many modern folks use "shamanism" as a flimsy excuse to feel spiritual about their drug use.
Yeah, it's also printed. Here's the link on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062868047/?coliid=I1TL1B0KYFYLUU&colid=30402EL2VVDSL&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Paperback and hardcover are both listed.
> I already read that one, what is wrong with that one??
I recently purchased Robert Alter's Hebrew Bible translation, which he translated with the goal of maintaining the literary characteristics of the original Hebrew. He made a snarky comment that was something along the lines of "The authors of the KJV had an amazing grasp of the English language, but not so much biblical Hebrew, while modern translations have an amazing grasp of biblical Hebrew, but not so much English." For a casual read, IMO, whatever speaks to you is fine, but you need to be aware the KJV is not the most accurate.
As for your quest for a text, I am not one of the scholars here, but I found this book approachable: A History of the Ancient Near East, ca. 3000-323 BC.
Sure. In no specific order:
Book 1
Book 2
Book 3
Book 4
None of these are specifically Biblical history, as I'm sure you'll quickly gather. To fully grasp the Old Testament, however, there are a few important areas that one must be strong in (in my humble opinion, that is): Ancient Near East history, and the New Testament, and a general understanding of Judaism and its individual history.
It's not explicitly about the conflict in the Middle East, but Destiny Disrupted provides a ton of good context for the Islamic perspective.
By who? We're told by our media that it's basically the Shi'as vs. the Sunnis. Anyone who picks up a book on Islam and Islamic history will see that there is more to Islam and Muslims than a bullet point summary.
Yes, the vast majority of Muslims are Sunni. They're divided into 4 schools of Islamic thought, Hanafi, Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanbali. The Shi'ites aren't a sect by themselves. 13% of Muslims in the world are Shi'i, and they're divided into further sects such as the Twelvers, the Zaidis, the Ismailis, Alawites, etc. 80% of those 13% of Shi'ites are Twelvers. Then you have the Ibadi sect, which is roughly 1% of all Muslims, mostly concentrated in Oman and pockets in North Africa.
Those are the traditional sects, the newer "sects" consist of Salafis, Ikhwani fundamentalists, Progressives, Secularists, etc. Most of these newer sects are more of a response to the political situation in the Muslim world over the past 100 years or so. Almost all the newer sects were born towards the end of the colonial era to the present era.
If you want to have a comprehensive view of Islam that is easy to read and understand for a non-Muslim, I would suggest reading Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes by Tamim Ansary
If you don't want to read a book, then check out r/Islam's wiki page that covers this topic in a well written and easy to understand manner
http://www.reddit.com/r/islam/wiki/theology#wiki_what_are_the_sects_of_islam.3F
Get The Sumerians
Here is a free summary
This is actual documented history, proof that the Bible, Torah & Quran are just derivatives of an even more ancient rich culture who had a polytheistic mythology.
I really liked eminent medievalist Norman Cantor's short and pithy "Antiquity": http://www.amazon.com/Antiquity-Birth-Sumerian-Civilization-Empire/dp/0060930985/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2; He starts off with really nice, short "narrative" chapters, and then goes into slightly more detail. After that I'd follow others' advice and do each ancient civilization somewhat separately.
His source no doubt.
book: destiny disrupted.
A History of the Ancient Near East by Van De Mieroop. The Bible has a context.
https://www.amazon.com/Destiny-Disrupted-History-Through-Islamic-ebook/dp/B005EYEPB2
"Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes"
>In Destiny Disrupted, Tamim Ansary tells the rich story of world history as the Islamic world saw it, from the time of Mohammed to the fall of the Ottoman Empire and beyond. He clarifies why our civilizations grew up oblivious to each other, what happened when they intersected, and how the Islamic world was affected by its slow recognition that Europe-a place it long perceived as primitive and disorganized-had somehow hijacked destiny.
It's truly a classic, a must-read and it's on Amazon for 10 bucks.
I forgot to add this in my other comment (which focused on academic books), but if you want a really easy but informative/accessible read, perhaps comparable to Lesley Hazleton's book, you might want to check out Tamim Ansary's Destiny Disrupted, which is a history of the world through Islamic eyes (not exclusively focused on Shi'ism) though. I'd recommend the audiobook specifically, as it's read by the author.
It sounds like you have an Intro Geology book.
For a nice overview of historical geology, I was enraptured by "The Earth: An Intimate History" by Richard Fortey. It starts slow but delves into the major developments and ideas of geology as the author visits many significant locales around the world.
Stephen Jay Gould was a very prolific science-writer across paleontology and evolution.
John McPhee has several excellent books related to geology. I would recommend "Rising from the Plains" and "The Control of Nature."
Mark Welland's book "SAND" is excellent, covering topics of sedimentology and geomorphology.
If you are interested in how society manages geologic issues, I would recommend Geo-Logic, The Control of Nature mentioned before, Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations, and Cadillac Desert.
These are some of the texts I used in university:
I've always been interested in it, but I've only just recently started studying (for fun!) about Mesopotamia in earnest. A few books that I've read and enjoyed, in addition to Roux's "Ancient Iraq" and of course Gilgamesh (Andrew George translation):
I hope those are helpful. I'm hoping to get more books in the near future, and will post regarding those as I read them.
The problem is that most readily available books are written through the lens of 9/11. That's what people want to read about, and that is what is on authors' minds. 9/11 is one link in the chain.
Older books that take a more in-depth approach are difficult to find or very expensive.
Jihad In Classical And Modern Islam: A Reader is a book that takes a broader approach but is difficult to find. The edition I read was from the mid-90s.
A good recent book is Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes
I agree with this review:
>The European outline of history has always been the westward succession of leadership, from Greece to Rome to northern Europe to America, a viewpoint of manifest destiny that has justified much imperialism and jingoism. An Islamic history, Ansary says, would be an expansion from a center, rather like ripples spreading from the event of the Hijra in 622 AD, an expansion that should have been destined to encompass the whole world. For the first thousand years of this history, it was perfectly plausible for the most educated classes of Islamic societies to maintain such a viewpoint, Ansary maintains. But then that 'destiny' was disrupted by the unforeseen economic and technological revolutions of the rude barbarians of Europe. Such a perception of history, as a calamitous disruption of the proper order of things, underlies the resentment and hostility of Muslims throughout the Middle World toward the West.
and
>The second half of the book depicts the delayed, astonished, dismayed recognition throughout the Middle World that the despised barbarians of the West had stolen history, thwarted destiny, invaded and infiltrated and corrupted - yes! corrupted! - Islamic civilization. Ansary's analyses of European developments will surely seem simplistic and imbalanced to readers with detailed knowledge of their own cultural history, but then perhaps that's how it all looks from another world. More significant for American readers will be his accounts of the evolution of various responses in Islam to the pressures of westernization, ranging from secularism to fanaticism.
Had I reviewed that book I would have written something nearly identical.
Not while alive.
Best:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_Islam_as_Others_Saw_It
Nice intro to the topic
https://www.amazon.com/When-Christians-First-Met-Muslims/dp/0520284941
Yeah, gotta read about that event more sometimes as well. I like the anecdote of how the Khan took the Caliph to Baghdad's treasure chamber after taking the city and saw the chamber full of gold. The Khan said "you didn't use all this to save your people from me?" and locked the Caliph in the chamber to starve.
An anecdote that didn't happen I think, but a cool portrayal about the difference of nomadic and settled peoples.
I might've read it from here, it's a good book: http://www.amazon.com/Destiny-Disrupted-History-Through-ebook/dp/B005EYEPB2
Thank you very much. I think my professor's source was Ansary's Destiny Disrupted, which we've been reading as a sort of overview of Islamic history. I'm enjoying it, although it doesn't profess to be a history book exactly.
Ostatnio Dan Carlin znany z swojego niesamowitego podcastu wydał książkę
it's a long story, but it's inclusive of but not limited to a lot of very hard archaeological and anthropological data..
Start here:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Sirius-Mystery-Scientific-Evidence/dp/089281750X
then go here
http://www.amazon.com/The-Science-Dogon-Decoding-Tradition/dp/1594771332/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b
then go learn about the Sirius connection to the pharaonic mystery cults and to freemasonry. Why are the dog days so important in the masonic tradition ?
Then start tracking the Sirius connection into the dark occult forces that currently run our society.
"Kenneth Grant, one of Crowley's closest associates in the Ordo Templi Orientis, repeatedly links Crowley with Sirius and seems to be hinting that the 'Holy Guardian Angel' contacted by Crowleyan mind-expansion techniques is a denizen of Sirius. J.G. Bennett, one of the closest of George Gurdjieff's associates, also tells us of coded references to Sirius in Gurdjieff's writings. Sufi historian Indries Shah traces the name of the Illuminati back to a verse in the Koran which mentions a shining star, and Crowley's alternative name for the Illuminati was the Order of the Silver Star (Argentum Astrum)."
Sorry for your disappoint. However, you STILL might find some historical writing pretty fascinating. Try reading Inanna, Goddess of Heaven and Earth or Sumerians, might just be what you're looking for.
Check out Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations for sore really interesting history on this.
The same author has a second book - Growing a Revolution: Bringing Our Soil Back to Life which is possibly the most hopeful, uplifting, and practical book I’ve ever read on agriculture or the environment.
Highly recommend both!
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I commented in the cross-posted thread. That etymology is different than what I would have suspected, as you can see in my comment. I did not know about the "sky father" myth. I thought that "sky daddy" was just a contemporary anglicization of "Father God" or something like that.
I do like SKY DADDY, though. And there are so many things which resonate with or reference it: Alan Parsons's SIRIUS/Eye in the Sky (the Sirius/Dogon Cosmology and Orion mysteries themselves are extremely interesting Robert Temple and Robert Bauval), Philip K. Dick's book "Eye in the Sky" (PKD was a Gnostic mystic in his later years,) and of course the band which Alan Parsons really got his fame for producing, Pink Floyd, has the classic, timeless "The Great Gig in the Sky" which echoes this sentiment to some degree, but also alludes to a future event foreshadowed everywhere else in pop culture from David Bowie and his Ziggy Stardust cosmology to Bradley Nowell and Sublime's "Jailhouse" vision of a great concert "up there" with all of the masters of yore participating. (That is my interpretation of it, anyway.)
Some excerpts of the lyrics to Jailhouse:
>"hat has been told to the wise and up-rooted
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>is gonna be revealed unto babes and sublime
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>I know that I'm gonna be there yeah
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>Bud Gaugh will be singing there
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>And Eric Wilson will be bangin' up there, yea
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>And we'll be all singin ... with version, with version,
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>Reagge version
I should add that I have always had this notion myself of "A rose by any other name ..." with regard to the "creator" God. If this be a computer simulation, or something unlike anything we know, or if "aliens" create everything, whatever, however, a rose by any other name ... They are all the same to us. As Arthur C. Clarke says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic."
Read this book, nothing to lose.