Best rc power plant & driveline systems according to redditors
We found 414 Reddit comments discussing the best rc power plant & driveline systems. We ranked the 224 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
We found 414 Reddit comments discussing the best rc power plant & driveline systems. We ranked the 224 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
Please get a proper electrical system on your ebike before you burn your house down.
If you can't solder and your current demands are low and you can crimp well, then you can use presoldered connector pigtails.
This is almost certainly better than you twisting wires together and wrapping it with tape, but a proper soldered joint to a proper connector is best. Make sure you have enough power in your soldering iron, I use a Weller WESD51 station and it makes short work of 8 gauge wire and XT90 connectors.
Someone asked me for a parts list via PM. I am a lazy man, so this is a 100% Amazon Prime build:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CJGIWIA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T0BH8WS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q13BIU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H95C0A2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007OYAVLI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007OYAVLI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FHO5Y6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T2U7R7I/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DYQYLQQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TIY5JM8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZHF3RHQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018JWCX8M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
a common method is to use high viscosity oil to achieve the desired slip. I run 500,000 weight oil in the center diff on my Monster GT
The charge time really isn't all that bad. It'll charge back up in 10-15 minutes. I really thought it'd bother me but I'm totally okay with it. This is the perfect starter copter to learn how to fly these things.
If it's really a deal breaker and you're okay with spending more, one of the cheapest way you're going to get significantly improved flight time would probably be a Hubsan X4, a 5 pack of batteries, a simple charger, and a prop guard for about $70 before tax.
I'd call that step 2 in the hobby though and would absolutely recommend the Cheerson CX-10 as step 1.
Which ones in particular? Here is 20 props for $8.99... Amazon
Depends on what you want to run. The default answer is always going to be a Traxxas Velineon system or a Castle 3800 with an MMP or the SCT version. Make sure you do a little price shopping as I'm sure you can find better prices on both. Those seems to be the most popular with slash's. Both are awesome - if you plan on trying out 3S lipo I would go with a Castle for sure and it's cheaper to boot, but the Velineon system is pretty much plug and play as the ESC will bolt right in and go.
My platinum has the Velineon in it and I've been pretty happy with it, runs great. ~37MPH on 2S lipo and 13/54 stock gearing. However it doesn't agree with 3S as it gets too hot. When it comes time to upgrade one of my brushed trucks to brushless (when the motor goes out) I'm going to put my Velineon in it and buy a castle 3800 or 2650 for mine and swap fully over to 3S.
As far as batteries go most all of them can run Nimh or 2s lipo - some will run 3S A LOT better especially in the temp department. But that's mainly up to tires/gearing and your driving style.
I'm assuming you're talking about maintaining a speedcube.
Pop out an edge, once in a while (every few hundred solves, maybe) clean out the cube dust that accumulates. Use a wet cloth (or a tissue, if you're lazy)
Re-lube (try traxxas 50k for lube. It'll last you for years) with a few drops of lube. Put a drop on the edge, and a drop on the base of a corner. If you're up for it, unscrew and lube the core (a small drop on each of the screws/springs), but you don't really NEED this.
I actually didn't know what I wanted to build first, I'm a software engineer so I was exited to actually write some software and see an object moving hahaha, so eventually a Car came to mind, since it's fun to see it go and move around.
So, to start I looked in amazon for a chassis and wheels and I found this kit that looked pretty simple and functional, so I got that, and then since it only brings 1 motor, I got this to be able to move to the sides, at this point I had no idea how to make that work, but I just figured stuff up on the go, I didn't know how to move the motor so I searched for youtube videos and found out that I needed a motor controller again, amazon was my best friend haha, I also got this battery.
After that I was able to make the Car run, the problem was, I needed some kind of way to guide it, because randomly moving around wasn't that fun, so I came out with the design of the robot looking around I found this module and it was just what I needed, I had a few servos and other components from a mix kit that I got with the Arduino, and I used that (and my girlfriend's help with deciding where to put the pices to make them look nicer) to build the robot that you saw on my first post and then I used this BT module to build the manual mode that you can see in my second post and you know the rest of the story, I'm not sure if I missed something, but let me know and I can answer any question :)
If you want to lube it use this guide:
http://youtu.be/s4paID_54lQ
Best (for the price) lube:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000BOLVFI/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1367526514&sr=8-1&pi=SL75
Also do a bunch of solves, then try and take out the torpedoes and see if you like that feeling better (I do but some don't)!
Now go play! :)
Frame: SabotageRC Dingo 5
FC: Bardwell F4
ESC: Racestar Anniversary Edition 4-in-1 ESC
VTX: TBS Unify Pro
Receiver: FrSky R-XSR
Motors: EMAX 2205-S
Camera: Caddx Turbo Micro F2
If you can buy this Traxxas 50k from amazon
If you only want to buy one tube of lube, buy 50k. It's the same as weight 5 on SCS but you get more for the price.
If your just trying to find a lubricant for your speed cube. I think your better off with [traxxas 50k] (http://www.amazon.ca/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI). Traxxas is good and plus its 10$.
If your settle on getting silicone spray. I heard you should get CRC silcone spray.
I'd recommend Traxxas 50k You can usually get it for pretty cheap at a local Hobby RC store or here on amazon
If you don't wanna buy the Traxxas 50k at a hobby store you can get a 2oz bottle (60cc) for about $7 which is cheap.
https://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI
Since you have all the different "weights" I can tell you will need to test them to see which one matches your style, then after that naturally you will be narrowed down to a few lubricants maybe even 2-3, as you will see what fits or doesn't. Traxxas lubricants are cheap and the standard bottle is 60cc for about $7 on Amazon and $5 to a online hobby store I use. However cubicle lubricants are still useful but if you need a wallet friendly alternative then Traxxas is the way to go. However I always recommend a bottle of 50k around you it's pretty much universal. Alot of people just lube the core of their cube with 50k, lube 4x4's with 50k (when you break it in it feels amazing), and 2x2's.
30k, and 50k and some thin weights is all you ever honestly need and since your getting Lubicle Speedy, you won't need 10k, but yea. Goodluck
That's my 2 cents.
Traxxas 50k is one of the most common differential oils that is used on cubes. Lubix is a differential oil with a huge markup. You don't need much lube at all to get one properly lubed. CBC did a video on how to lube a cube, it's a Zhanchi but you can apply the same thing to all cubes.
For general bashing and on Amazon, the Castle Sidewinder 3 isn't a bad option. They've got a 3800kv, 4600kv, and 5700kv if you want different motor options.
I like my Hobbywing stuff so far, but the price might be a bit more for ESC and motor through Amazon.
What I did right
Mistakes I made
Potential upgrades
Parts
I spent a total of ~$770 on this board (including wasted parts). It's more than I wanted to spend but I expect it'll last a long time.
Specs:
No, this is what many people use for cubes. It works great and it is a lot less expensive than other lubes. It is meant for plastic parts on RC cars, so it is completely silicone based. This weight is not reasonable for cubes, so many people use 50k weight. You can get some here.
Edit: Also, the 500k is going to be extremely viscous, don't use it for cubes. This person is doing it for fun, not to improve their cube.
Both can be great cubes. What is your preference? The Shuang Ren is a much dryer, faster feeling cube, while the AoLong is a smooth, clicky feeling puzzle. Performance wise, the AoLong is a better cube, but a Shuang Ren is better for people who prefer a cube that feels slightly more stable.
Oh, and for lube, Traxxas 50k weight Differential oil. Buy a syringe like this one and use it to apply the lube. Hope I helped!
Edit: You may want to visit this page to consider other possible options. There's a world of cubes out there.
I figure this may help anyone thinking about building a brushed micro, but didn't know where to start or shop. This is my list of preferred of components when I'm planning a brushed micro build. Happy New Year, and I hope this will bring in some more people into the custom built micro brushed multicopter world. Good Luck and happy building!
Websites and Threads I use for info:
Brushed Micro Frames:
Brushed Motors:
Flight Controls:
Propellers:
Batteries:
Cameras:
VTX:
Antenna:
LED's:
I personally only use Traxxas 50k, I got a medium sized bottle a couple years ago, and haven't even used half of it. Really good, makes cubes smooth, and was great on my GTS2M
https://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504210494&sr=8-1&keywords=traxxas+50k
Not only are these more durable, they also seem to stay really well on the motor shaft for my QX90 and QX95. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00RE5US38/
Here is about what I spent: http://i.imgur.com/ZU2hzQr.png
Edit: Table format
Link|Part|Model|Price
:-:|:-:|:-:|--:
link | Frame | Lumenier QAV-R 5 | $107.75
link | Motors | EMAX RS2205 2300KV | $76.99
link | ESCs | Littlebee 20A PRO | $49.99
link | Flight Controller | MotoLab Cyclone F3 | $40.69
link | Radio Tx | FrSky Taranis X9D Plus | $211.37
link | Radio Rx | Frsky XSR | $26.74
link | Headset | Fatshark Attitude V3 | $331.99
link | FPV Tx | ImmersionRC 600MW 5.8 | $48.98
link | FPV Antennas | Aomway | $15.00
link | FPV Camera | Foxeer XAT600M | $48.88
link | HD Camera | Yi | $100.00
link | Charger | SkyRC iMax B6AC V2 | $49.97
There may be a part or two missing. The links may or may not still be good, this is from ~4 months ago. Take out the headset, HD camera, and other FPV stuff and the cost drops by $545. These are also all high-end parts.
Edit2: Some Youtube subs
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCahqHsTaADV8MMmj2D5i1Vw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCemG3VoNCmjP8ucHR2YY7hw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoS1VkZ9DKNKiz23vtiUFsg
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9zTuyWffK9ckEz1216noAw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3ioIOr3tH6Yz8qzr418R-g
https://www.youtube.com/user/EngineerX
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX3eufnI7A2I7IkKHZn8KSQ
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp1vASX-fg959vRc1xowqpw
Hello, I was just about to order a couple days ago, then figured I should ask you all here on /r/Multicopter if you have any recommendations for changes. I can solder and have tools, is there anything that I am missing here for a complete setup? Oh I also already own a Spektrum DX6i with two Spektrum AR610 receivers.
item | link | price
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AV transmitter/receiver | Boscam 32Ch 5.8G 600mw 5km Wireless AV Transmitter TS832 Receiver RC832 for FPV | $35.63
Charger | Genuine SKYRC iMAX B6 Mini Dual Power 6Amps 60Watts Professional RC Balancing Battery Charger & Discharger (Version RCLITE) w/ Micro USB Port For RC Lipo Battery Cherge, Temperature Port | $36.58
Heat shrink | uxcell® 1 Meter 50mm Dia Ratio 2:1 Heat Shrinkable Shrinking Tube Black | $6.66
Flight Controller | AbuseMark Acro Naze32 Rev 6 Flight Controller W/ Straight / Bent Pin Headers, Breakout Cable, & Apex RC Products Nylon Standoffs | $39.99
Frame | YKS DIY Full Carbon Fiber Mini C250 Quadcopter Frame Kit for FPV Mini Quadcopter Part | $37.99
Motors | 4pcs EMAX RS2205 2300KV Brushless Motor 2CW 2CCW for QAV250 QAV300 FPV Racing Quadcopter | $78.79
ESC's | Crazepony 4pcs Littlebee 20A Mini ESC Oneshot125 Electronic Speed Controller 2-4S Brushless for FPV Multicopter Quadcopter | $39.99
Props | Hooshion® 16 pcs 8 pairs GemFan HD HQ 5030 5x3 CW CCW Propeller for Mini QAV250 Quadcopter (Black+Orange) | $12.59
Connectors | XT60 Drone Connectors 5 Pairs (5 Male and 5 Female) | $2.96
Battery | Turnigy 2200mAh 3S 20C Lipo Pack | $16.70
AV Antenna | Anbee® FPV 5.8Ghz Circular Polarized Clover Leaf Antenna High Gain Aerial Set w/RP-SMA Plug | $10.98
Camera | SC2000 600TVL D-WDR DNR Board Camera SONY Super HAD CCD for FPV, 2.8mm Lens, IR Blocked Filter | $33.99
| total | $352.85
Here, 4 genuine littlebees for $40 bucks. $10 each, free shipping
If I were looking for similar, I'd start digging into RC plane/car brushless motors. You'd need a basic motor and a speed controller. Something like an A2212 with a 30A speed controller (both available cheaper overseas...) will easily meet your needs. The speed will be controlled using PWM into the speed controller. Based on test data floating the internet for that particular motor, it'll happily do 6000-9000 RPM under normal propeller load - not sure what exactly you need to do.
> Judging by the fact that hardly any product page mentions the motors' RPM I'm guessing I'm probably doing it wrong, so suggestions and corrections are welcome.
Motors aren't sold by RPM. RPM actually depends on the voltage applied, plus some penalty for the load they're under. You'll usually get some combined rating. Brushless motors, anyway, will come with a "Kv" rating based on their theoretical max speed. The rule of thumb in the hobby world is
Motor RPM = (drive voltage) x Motor kV Rating * (efficiency%)
So assuming a 3 cell lithium pack (11.1v), a 1000Kv motor will give you ~11,100 RPM. You usually have to tack an efficiency multiplier onto that. The rule of thumb in the RC world is ~80% for a propeller (and it varies quite a bit by prop, honestly...) , but an unloaded motor might be as high as 95%.
I'm sure there's more precise math out there for this, but this is the "close enough" stuff you're going to find for hobbyist motors.
Brushed motors are a little different - you won't find a Kv rating. They'll usually have an RPM/volt rating, or a "turns" rating that can be converted. Pick the voltage you're driving them at, multiply by the RPM/Volt, and you'll get a theoretical max. But again, load will be a factor. As will heat. Usually if you kill a brushed motor, it's due to over-heating. Check their max dissipation, make sure they'll handle the voltage you need to throw at them to get the speed you want.
In RC applications, you may have a motor running in excess of 20,000 RPM with a gear system to reduce speed to something usable. Usually you'll find a wattage rating.
It's been such a journey w/ this guy, I've swapped so much out, but I should be able to put together some kind of a list.
Treads
Motors
Bottom plate
DAGU MINI Driver
2 channel 5V relay
5v/9v/12v Battery Pack
LED Flashlight NOTE: Not this one, I just bought 2 cheap ones from my local Radio Shack. Also, RIP Radio Shack. As seen in the video, they had multiple LEDs. Be sure to get those type, some only have 1 LED. Just disassemble and wire power directly to the LED arrays.
Laser pointer
Obviously a Raspberry Pi. The one I'm using is a B+, shouldn't matter much though. Also, a camera module
Pololu Expansion Plate What most everything sits on top of
5v voltage regulator Steps down 9v output to 5v, goes to the relay to power the lights and laser. NOTE: This gets HOT when in use. I also bought a heatsink and I suggest you do as well
Edimax wifi adapter The only one I trust. I've got 2 or 3 of these and they never let me down.
SG90 micro servos x2
Pan/Tilt mount for servos NOTE: I couldn't find the one I use as it came in a kit LONG ago, but something like this should do the trick
Lots of wire and solder. I highly recommend the heat shrink tubes also. A note on how power is distributed. The battery pack has a USB 5v out, a 9v out and a 12v in/out. I only use the 12v in for charging. The 5v USB powers the pi exclusively. The 9v out is where a lot of the wiring gets crazy. The ground needs to branch off to the DAGU mini driver, the 5v regulator (IIRC), lights and laser. Power goes to the DAGU mini driver and to the 5v regulator. Wiring then continues from the 5v regulator to the 5v relay, through that to the lights and servos. Doing something like all this took a lot of wire soldering, so get gud. :)
That SHOULD be a complete parts list. This robot has gone through several parts changeouts in its lifetime, including a speaker and microphone, tires and ultrasonic sensor. Ultimately though, I like this configuration best. It seems powerful and stable. My only current problem is some jitter in the servos. I need to line out what's causing that, but shouldn't be too tough to figure out.
If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
I'm gonna copy paste something i wrote from another thread here because I'm lazy. It may not make complete sense, but its relevant ;) .
>Hey! Fellow redcat volcano owner here! Not sure if you know this already but NEVER buy from redcat's website. They are extremely overpriced. I buy from three places:
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>AliExpress - Think of it as a Chinese amazon. parts will take about a month to come in on average, but they're cheap. Btw, I would pick this up. And these
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>Amazon - Usually a little bit more expensive but much quicker. Espicially with Prime. Buy some dogbones from here so you can get the volcano up and running!
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>Lastly, if all else fails try ebay.
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>I shop all three for the best deals!
I was only able to find your replacment ESC on Hobbypartz, but I would just upgrade honestly. Also, I've never used that website before, so use caution (as always with the internet).
As for an upgrade, I don't know enough so I'll leave that to some more experienced users.
Here is a set of EPX turnbuckles/rods I found on Amazon. It looks like Redcat uses the same length for all 6 turnbuckles. As others have already mentioned Redcat uses the EPX chassis for a variety of vehicles like this one. If you just search Redcat EPX on Amazon you will find plenty of parts.
As for the part you mentioned "the thing that connects the rod to the differential" is this in the center or one of the dogbones that puts power to the wheel like this one? If you look at the first link with the turnbuckles you will see they are bought together frequently because without a turnbuckle the dog bone can go missing.
It should handle much easier/cleaner with the diff. If you don't like it you can put some extremely thick oil in it and you'll send more power to the rear that way.
500k is the thickest Traxxas makes. It'll make it drive more like it used to but still have a bit more of a stable straight-line pull. It doesn't last forever though, it breaks down and gets thinner with use.
500K Diff Oil
I am using normal ESC (the blue thing to the right of the pi) as it uses a PWM signal in order to control throttle and steering!
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LMJI2N0/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_40EnDb0430C8V
Your best bet is to order it online. It does depend on what lube you want, if you want the professional lube, get it from SCS or Cubicle, but if you just want some simple lube, get some Traxxas on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=silicone+lube+traxxas&qid=1563613705&s=gateway&sr=8-5
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Traxxas-TRA5137-Differential-Oil-Weight-x/dp/B000BOLVFI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495038082&sr=8-1&keywords=traxxas+50k is this the same 50k used with cubes? Just that differential oil sounds weird to me.
Nope it’s an Armattan Mongoose frame here are my parts:
Frame
Armattan Mongoose $38.50: https://www.armattanquads.com/mongoose-1/
Flight Controller
RTFQ Freestyle FC $24.00 : http://www.readytoflyquads.com/rtf-freestyle-flight-controller-v15
ESC’s
Racerstar 35a Anniversary 4in1 $30.99: https://www.getfpv.com/racerstar-special-anniversary-edition-35a-blheli-s-4-in-1-esc.html
Video Transmitter
Unify Pro HV $29.99: https://www.getfpv.com/fpv/video-transmitters/tbs-unify-pro-hv-5g8-race-sma.html
Camera
Caddx Turbo Micro F2 $22.99: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FQHNZFG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_J76LBbBSEZYBE
Motors
EMAX 2205-S $70: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M9GOQC5/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_JmAHBb2NP8HH2?th=1&psc=1
Receiver
FrSky R-XSR $23.99 : https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074QHJRBC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_8NwHBbR660HCF
Total Price = ~$250
My other non stock parts: [motors] (https://www.amazon.com/Crazepony-4pcs-6x15mm-Motor-Speed/dp/B01M4QRVA1/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1499744771&sr=8-3&keywords=tiny+whoop+motors), [flight controller] (https://www.amazon.com/BEEBRAIN-V1-2-FLIGHT-CONTROLLER-WHOOP/dp/B01N9W1Y5K/ref=sr_1_1?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1499663783&sr=1-1&keywords=beebrain), [batteries] (https://www.amazon.com/Crazepony-230mAh-Battery-Inductrix-Connector/dp/B01N6GP1WO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1494890571&sr=8-5&keywords=tiny+whoop+batteries), [props] (https://www.tinywhoop.com/products/eachineprops)
I currently only have a single LiPO, which I wayyy overpaid for in a store, it's just a 2S 5000mAh 25C one that I paid $50 for in a store. Have some on order from Hobbyking for half that price. As far as charger goes, I just use a Venom PR2 because it gets the job done in a decent amount of time. For anything with a capacity over 6000mAh though, I would recommend getting a charger you can plug, say, a 25A power supply into. That way, you can basically charge the majority of batteries in less than an hour.
As far as a new motor goes for the Bandit, I wouldn't buy anything brushed. You say you're a beginner, so am I, but a week after I bought the brushed Traxxas Rustler, I went down to a LHS and bought a Castle Sidewinder 3 brushless motor/esc combo as well as a 2S LiPO. I get about 45mph with this setup, but if I was to get a 3S LiPO, I've been told that I can get upwards towards 70mph. So yeah, you COULD buy that Stinger, but seriously, in a week from then you will want more power lol.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Traxxas-5039-Differential-500K-Weight/dp/B0015YZJAG
Aw man! I picked up a Hubsan x4 a couple months ago and I didn't know they had a camera version! And it's only $10 more than the one I got without the cam. Yarg! I guess I'll grab one with the camera when this first breaks.
To OP, if you get a Hubsan x4, the blade guard and crash pack are extremely handy. The quad just bounces off walls and the extra props/battery are fantastic.
Warning you - it gets expensive, haha. If you get the Hubsan there are a few other parts I would reccomend. THey may all be cheaper on Banggood (they ship from the US for some stuff too!)
Reccomended stuff:
Prop guard
Extra batteries to keep you flying longer
Extra props
Edit: also check out /r/multicopter
Traxxas is actually a pretty good brand. You could get something like THIS and maybe a new lipo battery and he would be good to go. Unless you are set on getting a kit but you would still need a good motor/esc combo.
Firstly, I'd consider getting the GAN 356 X because money isn't a problem, as you said. Of course, if you have a reason for getting the 354 M (such as small hands), go ahead, but if you do not, then you should get the GAN 356 X.
Moreover, I simply do not believe that getting Cosmic or Supernova or whatever The Cubicle offers is ever worth it unless you do not have the time to set up the cube yourself. My reasoning is that all lube setups are temporary, and the lube will eventually dry out. With all of the money that you spend for someone else to set up your cube, you could easily buy lube for yourself that'll last you much, much longer. For example, check out this Traxxas 50K offer on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI
50K is widely used as both a core lube and a piece lube (although, it's not that good of a piece lube imo), and this huge bottle costs less than $10. Adding this lube into your cube is extremely trivial as well, so I see no reason to let other people set up your cube, especially because it costs so much.
If you want a good piece lube, I'd recommend Angstrom Gravitas and Angstrom Dignitas ($10 as a bundle) from The Cubicle. Gravitas is a super long-lasting lube, and the combination of these two lubes in my Valk 3 M is the best lube setup I've ever tried on it.
TL;DR There is no need to pay so much for someone else to set up your cube (lube is temporary anyway) when you can just buy a whole bunch of lube and set up your cube yourself for however long you'll use it for.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Traxxas-5137-Oil-Differential-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538679658&sr=8-1
You can buy new xt60 connectors at hobby shops (rc/drone) or on amazon and many others.
Do not wait to fix it, it will get worse, I know from experience.
I bought pre soldered connectors and all I needed was a heat gun and snips to fix mine.
50pcs Solder Seal Wire Connector,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DPS8DPM?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
4pcs XT60 Plug Male Female... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073QJWVVK?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
It was a 5 minute fix and no issues since, my connectors stay room temp now.
If you don't have traxxas 50k, get that first just due to the versatility of it, being able to use 50k on both the core and sparingly on the pieces. You can get it over on amazon here.
If you still do have more budget, I would recommend lubes specifically for the pieces. Stuff such as TheCubicle's Silk, DNM-37, and Lubicle One, or Cosmic lube from SpeedcubeShop will do as well. These lubes are less viscous than 50k and are great for being used on the pieces.
50K differential oil is the lube of choice for the core. You may want to acquire a syringe as it is very easy to over lube without one. If you intend to lube the pieces you will need lighter lube, around 30K.
For a single motor build, I'd expect to be in the $800-$900 range.
Ultimately, the prices of Aliexpress might be nice, but everything is made super cheap, and your safety is quite literally determined by how well these parts hold up. I say don't risk it. Further, you will learn a lot more about your setup once you actually have the physical parts in your hands. Your time is valuable and if you are constantly waiting on shipping just to hold the parts and what you're working with first hand, it will take ages to get it actually running. No matter what there is going to be a lot of trial and error and a lot of returns. You'll thank yourself later if you avoid buying from China.
I did tons of research today and I found from many many YouTube videos, Traxxis 50k is the best. It's cheap, and there is a lot of lube inside the tube. It works great for all cubes. I actually bought a tube for myself today. Here's the link. [Traxxas 50k Lube](Traxxas 5137 Differential Oil, 50K Weight https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BOLVFI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_j.ItybSA4VN9D)
I hope this helps!
Looks like this guy with the double gearbox upgrade.
You're getting 5cc for $3.89.
A bottle of Traxxas, which is largely the same stuff, at 50cc (or 10x as much) for $7.99 or less in some places.
You're paying 77 cents per cc, whereas Traxxas is 16 cents per cc.
taking it apart and cleaning the pieces with a cloth might help if there's any dust/dirt buildup slowing your cube down
otherwise i recommend buying something like lubicle speedy to lube your cube with, i personally use traxxas 50k but some people don't like the feel it leaves on larger cubes compared to a thinner lube like lubicle speedy
Got my traxxas 50 early :D
Still breaking in my yuxin little magic since people reccomend not to lube until it's well broken in, so rn using my good ol' qiyi warrior that got lubed up. It's turning pretty darn well now (was kinda gummy before idk why, didnt lube it before), but how long does lube last?
I got this btw
if that changes anything (like different types of traxxas 50k? idk)
Seems fine, maybe even overpriced. I got these on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E6KMKIE/ref=od_aui_detailpages01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
They've been doing great. They had blheli flashed on them out of the box.
I'm a fan of the traxxas 50k (but I might try 30k) I've used it probably 30 or 40 times and only used about 1/3 of it so it will last you forever. It's longer lasting than silicone sprays so there is more consistency over time.
It also seems to spread itself throughout the cube better, so you don't really need to disassemble, spray, then reassemble to get an even coat.
Also, many of the silcone sprays can damage the plastics, slightly melting or eroding the surface. Some even say on the packaging they are not safe for use on plastic.
I had a close call during one of my first flights. Have yet to actually make contact with a bird though, fortunately.
Also, this is a great chance to replace those props if they're stock. Stock ones tend to fly off. These are my favorite so far.
Thank you!
Here's what I plan on buying so far
I plan on soldering the camera to reduce weight.
Should I get anything else? Or swap any products?
Thanks.
But you live in the world of internet, and the internet has it: https://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI
Couple questions about lube
Seems the general consensus is to go with the:
https://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=traxass+50k&qid=1564327271&s=gateway&sprefix=traxass+50&sr=8-2
Is there anything else you would recommend that would go hand and hand with this?
Is Traxass50k ok for internals and plastic?
Will I need some type of applicator, or will the built in bottle dispenser be sufficient?
Any help is appreciated, thanks guys
A lot of people use Traxxas lube (myself included). Maybe 10-30k on pieces and usually 50k on core.
Anybody use this shit though? Like damn. Some thick ass lube.
No. WD-40 is known to harm cubes. I'd suggest checking out any cubing store for specialized lubricant. Personally, I use Traxxas differential oil and I heard that it's basically the same as other lubes. Its pretty cheap, especially considering how much they give you.
You should try Rubik's Cube lube. It is rated by viscosity and weight 5 is pretty thick.
https://thecubicle.us/cubicle-silicone-lube-c-35_64.html
EDIT: Found a good cheap alternative too which has around the same viscosity of around weight 4 of above.
http://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI
Save yourself even more by getting this. Its basically the same as lubix but much much cheaper. You could also try 70K instead of 50k (the viscosity) for a more loose lubricant.
These? https://www.amazon.com/AFUNTA-Transparent-Propellers-Quadcopter-Helicopter/dp/B00RE5US38
Traxxas 50k
Do you want a physical store, or is Amazon an option?
Traxxas 50k is optimal for cubes IMO. Maru is light and doesn't last long or give as much of a buttery feel. It's good for short speed boosts, but I don't like it in the long run. 50k is pretty nice once broken in. It works for both the hardware and pieces
http://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462239118&sr=8-1&keywords=traxxas+50k
As seen it is frequently bought together with cubes
Is this it?
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I am definitely going to get this if I can. Also, do I lube the exact way J perm does it in his How to Lube a Cube video?
What about these?
2 Pairs HOBBYMATE 2204 2300KV CW CCW Brushless Motor & 4 PCS BLHeli 12A ESC for For Mini 180, 210, 220, 250 RC Multirotor Quadcopter Drone
http://www.amazon.com/HOBBYMATE-2300KV-Brushless-Multirotor-Quadcopter/dp/B01E56CUSO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_21_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=51vm8VevvLL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL320_SR320%2C320_&refRID=120F5ACDN12AWC8RBB1C
I have a stupid question about ESCs. A lot of the videos I see, it states if you have a BEC on the ESC that you need to take out one of the wires that connects to the flight controller. Well the ESC's I'm looking at
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__65153__Turnigy_Multistar_20A_V2_ESC_With_BLHeli_and_4A_LBEC_2_6S.html
seems to have to be updated with their adapter (which I don't mind getting) but the adapter uses the third wire. What are my solutions here? If it matters, I'm going to be going with the SP f3 Deluxe for a FC. I might have heard wrong though about removing the wire, if I did, please let me know
Edit: I also don't know if this matters, but I plan on going with a Matek 3.1 PDB
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FLG0J8K/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2CVAC8HPAQ7L6&coliid=I340F0A14LFORD
This stuff?
E3D V6 hotend
Noctua fan for hotend cooling (I hosed the original using a heat gun to assist bed temps for ABS) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009NQLT0M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Cheap as hell 5015 2 pack part cooling blowers https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071WMHNG5/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This kickass heavy duty customizable mount https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2494642 printed in PETG
I replaced my hotend with a microswiss right away and jacked up both it and the original, but learned a lesson and added plugs to everything. Hotends usually come with crimpable plugs, but they're all different so I standardized on these for fans https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M5AHF0Z/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
And this type (xt60) for the hotend cuz current https://www.amazon.com/Female-Connector-Housing-Silicon-Battery/dp/B073QJWVVK/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1517496061&sr=8-5&keywords=xt60+connectors
All of the plugs made my wiring kinda fat, so when you join the Bowden tube, the wiring, and the ezabl cord its just heavy enough to droop lower than the gantry and get rubbed back and forth during prints. I designed a chain link style support in blender that anchors at the extruder and velcro'd the bundle to it. It allows free xy movement but not z. It works really well but could prolly be optimized. 😃
My printer came with the bed heater wiring strain relief already printed and installed, definitely do so. Also, get a dial gauge. Seriously. Print a gantry mount for it and slip it on to use it when needed.
it depends on the lube, if you want a durable lube then i suggest traxxas 50k -> https://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI
it's a huge bottle and is cheap and is often used in cubing :) it will last you a year or more
I would replace the VTX you chose for the tx526 as you can change it's output power and it isn't as massive as the ts832 (you will most likely run into problems mounting it in the martian 220).
Like another commenter said, you should buy bigger motors, maybe rs2205s I can vouch that the rs2205s are practically indestructible and run very very smooth.
You should get 4s batteries, I use tattu 4s 1300mah 75c batteries on my martian 220 with rs2205s motors and just this week I got a shipment of cnhl Lipos.
You should get VR-D2 Pros goggles, they are much better bang for buck, diversity+dvr for 90$.
Ok that makes sense. This is the one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FLG0J8K
Brushless setups run so much cooler and they don't have the brushes that generate more friction, or pop off the commutator on a hard landing. They are a little more expensive because you will need to upgrade your ESC to do it, but it is well worth the extra expense. I purchased this kit based on a lot of great reviews and recommendations, and I am very happy with it, it accepts up to a 3S, and runs incredibly well.
https://www.amazon.com/Castle-Creations-Sidewinder-Waterproof-NC1406-5700KV/dp/B00AQYMNE6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494174438&sr=8-1&keywords=castle+sidewinder+3
This one has a 5700kV rating. The Castle Sidewinder is sold in several configurations, I have the 3800kV one on my 1/10.
In that case, I guess you could just buy a single bottle of 50k which will cost you around ~$20, which will still help you with the spring noise, but it is also the same price of the set in the regular amazon, so if you can source some from there, then it could save you some money than buying from amazon.in (also people say traxxas lasts forever, which makes it a good investment)
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But if you're r e a l l y tight on budget, people say Gan Magic Lube is pretty nice and costs around ~$6 on thecubicle.com (idk about India prices), but won't really help with your spring problem.
Is something like this a terrible idea?
HOBBYMATE Quadcopter Kit Motor ESC Combo, 2 Pairs CW CCW 2204 2300KV Plus 4 PCS Upgrade BLHeli 15A ESC for For 180 210 250 RC Quadcopter Drone Multirotor https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E56CUSO/ref=cm_sw_r_taa_HzCRybSZYYHC0
Ah, thanks. One last question, would you happen to know how much lube is in this bottle? I can't find an amount anywhere, but I'd like to get a ballpark estimate of how long it'll last.
I have bought 4 of these
I live in Canada and it's $10 here. American it seems it's $7.
http://www.amazon.ca/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI/
http://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI
Seems like everyone is assuming he wants a kit and to build it himself, but I don't see that you said that. So, is that the case?
Will this be his first multicopter? If so, I would recommend something that is ready to fly (RTF) right out of the box. There are lots of good options, but I really enjoy my Hubsan x4 simply because how easy it is to get replacement parts. The price and reliability are nice as well ;)
You can put him together a nice "kit" with a hard case, spare parts, extra batteries for about
$175$135 on Amazon. It will be RTF, but also give him room to learn about the platform and repair mistakes.EDIT: Actually a little cheaper... if he has not flow before, this is a fun, cheap christmas present.
Complete Starter Kit for Hubsan x4 | ------------
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Hubsan H107C | $54.00 |
Carrying Case | $24.99 |
Crash Kit | $17.50 |
5 Extra Batteries | $18.39 |
Battery Charger | $6.36 |
Prop Guard | $2.73 |
------------|------------
Total | $123.97
The most popular seems to be Traxxas 50k. It's pretty cheap; I'd give it a shot.
Traxxas 50k from RC hobby shops or online is a popular choice. Or Lubix (direct or from specialty cubing sites) to get a very similar substance in a nice application syringe with a cool sticker.
Crazy Bad Cuber lubing video. I seems like the main mistake people make is using too much lube which slows down your cube.
http://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417888698&sr=8-1&keywords=traxxas+50k
If you haven't bought it yet, get this. Pretty much everyone uses or suggests it.
Only from Amazon?
Then build a obstacle avoiding robot. DIY the chassis.
I can offer to make parts if provided the part file then send it to you or i can try to find one but i would add you may wanna do a traxxas vxl motor and esc many motor mounts out there
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First i'd buy the mount and motor Mount Motor depends what motor you wanna do
These are the kind I have: https://www.amazon.com/HOBBYMATE-Quadcopter-2300KV-Upgrade-Multirotor/dp/B01E56CUSO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1480907048&sr=8-4&keywords=esc+motor+combo
This is my wiring:
ESC Wire 1------------------------------------------Motor Wire 1
ESC Wire 2------------------------------------------Motor Wire 2
ESC Wire 3------------------------------------------Motor Wire 3
I can also send a picture if that helps.
I believe Amazon beats SCS on price if you're in the US (I'm not).
I've been pretty happy with these clear props:
http://www.amazon.com/AFUNTA-Transparent-Propellers-Quadcopter-Helicopter/dp/B00RE5US38/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451986117&sr=8-1&keywords=hubsan+clear+props
They seem more bendable/durable than the stock ones.
BEC
The chassis :https://www.amazon.com/Tamiya-70108-000-Tracked-Vehicle-Chassis/dp/B002DR3H5S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505124972&sr=8-1&keywords=tamiya+tracked+vehicle+chassis+kit
The Double motor gearbox:https://www.amazon.com/Tamiya-70168-Independent-Double-Gearbox/dp/B001Q13BIU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1505124972&sr=8-2&keywords=tamiya+tracked+vehicle+chassis+kit
I thought that might be the case, so I went ahead and bought this,will it work?
BW® RC Servo BEC UBEC 3A 5V for Helicopter Airplane Receiver Servo Power Supply
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VI0L94C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_mwHUDbH5HH1ZH
Ideal is 30k - 50k wt not 30-50 wt
It will work but you need something much thicker. This is shock oil. You want differential oil which is just really thick shock oil. 900 CST = ~67 wt and ideal is 30k to 50k wt (apparently ~1250461 to ~2291130 cst (accidentally said wt instead of cst) ).
I think if you get this, it will either be like water and do nothing to the cube or basically be like maru lube that lasts longer which can be a good thing (maru lube makes cubes super fast but doesn't last very long).
This [one](Crazepony Matek PDB Power Distribution Board 5V 12V BEC Output for FPV Multirotor Quadacopter ( 36mm*36mm, Version 3.1 ) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FLG0J8K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ri1nybR286W6Q)
from the suggestions below the best middle ground seems to be
https://www.amazon.com/Castle-Creations-Sidewinder-Waterproof-NC1406-5700KV/dp/B00AQYMNE6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478883490&sr=8-1&keywords=010-0115-02
now if I could just find it cheaper!
Something like this would do the trick:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VI0L94C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_J6DWCb6KR027W
Input is 5.5v-23v and outputs stable 5v 3a
You can use the 12volt power supply, and then something like: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VI0L94C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_J6DWCb6KR027W with the pi itself to transform the 12v to 5v at sufficient current
You're better to grab one of these bad boys from your local gas station http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_230098_1.jpg and crack it open and use that circuit instead, though. because it's already got the protection stuff inline to keep you from cooking the pi =)
https://www.amazon.com/Traxxas-5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI
I'm a cuber so I wanted to make use of the spare lube that I have
Just get this One little dab (a little smaller than a pencil eraser) will do your entire 3x3, a bit more will do bigger cubes, it's confirmed safe for puzzles, and is pretty thick. If you use the right amount, you hardly know it's there, except your puzzle is a bit quicker and smoother.
I get that it's twice the price, but it's worth it, I think, to get something proven to work, than something that'll probably run like water (it's mostly Polyalphaolefin, which may degrade plastics, a cursory Google search tells me).
Yeah, from Amazon you can get it here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Traxxas-TRA5137-Differential-Oil-Weight/dp/B000BOLVFI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427838040&sr=8-1&keywords=Traxxas+Lube
Replace .co.uk with .com if you want
Yeah sorry bout that 5v. I'm still very new to this for BEC's and some voltage meanings. Here's the BEC
Excellent. You've been SUPER helpful! Another question. Since the new frame is a bit heavier I got beefier motors:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M4QRVA1/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
and to compensate for the additional power needs I picked up denser batteries:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MQE0SI4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It has good performance now, sure, but the flight times did not even out between the motors and the bigger batteries. I now only get about a minute of flight time instead of 2-2.5 minutes.
Any advice on what to check or tweak to make sure I'm getting the most out of the batteries? I looked around online and I've seen a lot of variation among people's flight times, and I've read about cheap hacks like cutting two of the props on each propeller to increase flight time (not sure of the engineering rationale for that battery savings).
Edit - Definitely the motors causing the drain. Swapped the stock motors back in and more than doubled the battery life. They stock motors definitely don't have the punch and I lose altitude on sharp turns, but I'm shocked they cause that much drain. Any ideas?
Edit 2 - Ordered the upgraded pigtail connector from TinyWhoop: https://www.tinywhoop.com/products/upgraded-battery-pigtail. Will see if that helps the power drop on the stock motors and the flight time on the upgraded motors.
http://m.banggood.com/Matek-Systems-PDB-XT60-W-BEC-5V-12V-2oz-Copper-For-RC-Multirotors-p-1049051.html
I've always used Matek http://m.banggood.com/Matek-Systems-PDB-XT60-W-BEC-5V-12V-2oz-Copper-For-RC-Multirotors-p-1049051.html
They don't have the same one I use on there though I get mine from Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01FLG0J8K/ref=sxl1?qid=1465279423&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65
In looking closer at the parts on your truck, I don't believe it is the E-Firestorm 10T Flux, but the E-Firestorm 10T http://hpiracing.world/en/kit/10551. It came with the controller and motor you have. The controller you have is the SC-15 which is NOT LiPo-battery-compatible and only supports brushed motors. It was upgraded by HPI at some point to the SC-15WP, which was waterproof and also supported LiPo batteries. The motor you have is still available to buy. You can read reviews on it here: http://www.amazon.com/HPI-Racing-1146-Firebolt-Motor/product-reviews/B001MVXMQK
Here is the mobile version of your link
Is the ESC required? What would be the difference without it?
I found a brushless motor with an ESC
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E6KMKIE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I bought these guys and they are going to be delivered today! hopefully i can fly my quad for the first time today!
Just got these ESC's. What is the target configuration for blheli? I'm not sure waht ESC to select.
I had one do exactly that. Was flying just fine. Put it into acro for the first time and did a roll. It did the roll and just went down spinning in flames. I have these on the way today and I can hopefully report good news back.
Would this also work because I have it at home https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B000BOLVFI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1458503710&sr=8-1&pi=SL500_QL40&keywords=Rubiks+cube+lube&dpPl=1&dpID=41oEMSxS9OL&ref=plSrch
these little bees
this fc
Thanks, I have heard of the ladybirds now that you mention it. I picked up this set from Amazon:
Haha I still have the stock motor in mine. Do you think it would handle a stronger motor that isn't brushless? I was thinking of ordering this motor.
ah gotcha, those look nice but are a bit out of my budget for now :(
have you heard anything good/ bad about these?? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CL6Q0RM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A36AZVMIXMN0IJ
Sp f3
Maker fire 12amp https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01F6WYHPU/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
And this is what I think caused the problems https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01FLG0J8K/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Instead of the crash pack i'd suggest buying parts separately. Crash packs have some stuff youll probably never need. The only things you have to worry about replacing are props, motors, and propguard if your X4 didn't come with one (check underneath the plastic box insert, on some units it's taped there).
Great props: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RE5US38?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s02
also sold as combo with propguards, although i've only tried clear ones that are only sold separately
Motors (for H107L): http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SKVZMU4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00
You will lose a little bit of flight time with the stock battery and motors. The carbon frame is a tad bit heavier than the plastic.
I recommend these batteries now that you have the room and these props... I get around 12-13 minutes of actual flight time with that setup. No, not hover time... moderately aggressive flight time.
Be aware that your lift to weight ratio is now a bit smaller, and if you use the stock flight controller the craft will want to "dig" when you tilt forward to pick up speed quickly. With higher power motors this will likely not be as big an issue. Don't get me wrong though, it still flies like a beast, but it requires more attention than the original symmetrical layout.
Also, the LEDs are now extremely difficult to use for orientation. Consider purchasing some bigger ones to mount on the corners.
Good luck!
Edit: Here's mine with only new frame, battery, and props: http://imgur.com/bx9QRQg
Edit 2: The foil tape is a temporary measure to protect the original motor wires, which were too short to be secured to the body/arms. The new motors have much longer wires and will be secured properly while soldering in.
For motors, I'm looking at these fyi.
They include 1 ECS per motor
Motors