Best jewish holocaust history books according to redditors
We found 119 Reddit comments discussing the best jewish holocaust history books. We ranked the 44 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
We found 119 Reddit comments discussing the best jewish holocaust history books. We ranked the 44 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
They were being transferred from Bergen-Belsen. The story is detailed in A Train Near Madgeburg. Matthew Rozell, a high school teacher in NY state, came upon the story when interviewing a WWII veteran (as an afterthought) as part of a school project. After posting it online, survivors and veteran liberators ended up getting back in touch and having multiple reunions. It's quite powerful. More info at https://teachinghistorymatters.com/holocaust-survivors-liberators-reunited/
In 1941 there was an Arab uprising against Britain by Arabs that considered themselves allies of the Nazis. They lasted about a month, but not before instigating the Farhud, the largest and deadliest pogrom in the middle east. Only a prelude to the civil rights taken away from Jews in Iraq after WW2 which would the Jewish community in Iraq. A community 1000 years older than Islam and had played host to the exilarch, or 'patriach in exile', the last known family in direct descent of King David. See The Farhud by Edwin Black, the same guy behind IBM and the Holocaust and The Transfer Agreement. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AGJZEOC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
In the early Muslim Brotherhood itself the biggest ally of the Nazis was Sayyid Qutb, whose personal tome is translated from Arabic, 'My Struggle Against the Jews' - the reference is obvious. Qutb was far more willing to use than the founder Hassan Al-Banna and as such Al-Qaeda and Hamas are merely implementations of their spiritual grandfather.
The Ba'ath parties that dominated after overthrowing their appropriate kings in Egypt, Iraq, and Syria were all modeled after the Nazi party. As Hitler had espoused a pan-Germanic nationalism, so did Ba'ath promote a pan-Arabic nationalism. Briefly resulting in the United Arab Republic of Egypt-Syria, a terribly unstable and viciously racist affair.
In 1944 the Nazis made a last ditch effort to expand the Holocaust to British Palestine. In Operation Atlas three German Templars that lived in Palestine together with two Arabs parachuted in British Palestine with enough Arsenic to kill 250,000 people. They planned to poison the water supply of Tel Aviv. This was last ditch because of course the Nazis were pushed back by the Soviet Union instead of being able to expand the 'normal' processes of the Holocaust to the area. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Operation_Atlas_(Mandatory_Palestine)
Edit: The Arab League boycott of the Jewish community based in British Palestine, now Israel began in 1945. It was modeled after the Nazi boycott of the Jewish community. Note that 1945 is before the creation of Israel, before the Nakba, before the 1967 Six Day War, before the occupation. The boycott was about the Yishuv, or Jewish Community in Palestine, largely calling for having an independent state, not some protest about the treatment of Arabs in Palestine. A person who is joining the modern BDS movement, is in actuality joining the Arab Boycott as the PLO is part of the Arab League. And that boycott is modeled after the Nazis. There is nothing new under the sun. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Arab_League_boycott_of_Israel
TL;DR A number of Arabs, some of which were instrumental to the future of the Middle East considered themselves more allied to the Nazis than vice versa. Their admiration of the Nazis created many of both the authoritarian regimes that dominated the latter half of the 20th century and inspired some of the worst Islamist terrorist groups today.
False: Russia was the primary reason for victory over Hitler's armies in Europe.
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Look no further:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X
The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering by Finkelstein.
And before you downvote me and call Finkelstein a self-hating Jew, read some of his work.
The discourse around Hitler, the Nazis, etc. is a product of American war propaganda; prior to 1967, it was the opposite, with few people in the United States, or, honestly, anywhere on our side of the Iron Curtain, addressing it properly. Raul Hilberg was one of the few. Indeed, many of the people who did speak out about their suffering during the Holocaust were labelled Communist sympathizers, as though the only motive behind their outrage over the incineration of millions of people could be opposition to the U.S. alliance with West Germany (which included many Nazis).
After 1967 it suddenly became a useful propaganda tool to justify America's one-sided support for the strongest military power in the Middle East. Because the Holocaust suddenly became the defining line between "us" and "them," these sorts of psychobabble witch-hunts for anyone remotely related to Hitler take place.
It is truly disgusting what Holocaust survivors have been dragged through. First their entire families were eliminated. Then they were forced to brood in private as others told them that if they mourned in public, they were somehow working for the Soviet Union. Then their suffering became cheap pabulum for Steven Spielberg movies and Israeli propaganda. Then their reparations were stolen.
I -- and Raul Hilberg, the founder of modern Holocaust studies -- both recommend this book, by the son of two Holocaust survivors to anyone interested in analyzing how truly ridiculous the way westerners discuss the Nazi genocide is. And NO, that does not mean that one should deny it, it means we should treat it with respect.
Israel EXPLOITS the Holocaust and uses it to justify its own aggression against the Palestinians. Normal Finklestein (whose parents were concentration camp survivors) has written about the Holocaust Industry
http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348514230&sr=8-1&keywords=Holocaust+Industry
He also pointed out that a pro-Israeli book (by Joan Peters, entitled "From Time Immemorial", which argued that Palestinians were simply all recent arrivals and therefore could be justifiably ethnically cleansed by Israel, was actually a fraud.)
As a result of challenging the established pro-Israeli line, Finklestein was blackballed and his academic career at DePaul University was ended
http://www.chomsky.info/books/power01.htm
Well, during WW2, Zionist 'terrorists'/'freedom fighters' in Palestine fighting against British occupation teamed up with literally Hitler. Like, not 'LitTeRALly hItLEr', but literally literally Hitler.
The enemy of my enemy...
Edit: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1569804338
“You who live safe
In your warm houses,
You who find warm food
And friendly faces when you return home.
Consider if this is a man
Who works in mud,
Who knows no peace,
Who fights for a crust of bread,
Who dies by a yes or no.
Consider if this is a woman
Without hair, without name,
Without the strength to remember,
Empty are her eyes, cold her womb,
Like a frog in winter.
Never forget that this has happened.
Remember these words.
Engrave them in your hearts,
When at home or in the street,
When lying down, when getting up.
Repeat them to your children.
Or may your houses be destroyed,
May illness strike you down,
May your offspring turn their faces from you.”
-- Primo Levi, Survival In Auschwitz
> I don't think there were many Polish collaborators at all.
The data simply doesn't support that, which is why the Polish government is banning all discussion of it.
> In 1933, Poland had the largest Jewish population in Europe, numbering over three million. By 1950, the Jewish population of Poland was reduced to about 45,000.... Germany had a Jewish population of 565,000 in 1933 and just 37,000 in 1950.
So yeah, judging by the numbers, Poland was literally more cool with this than Germans were.
EDIT: Israel is much less impressed with Poland than you guys are: "Poland was complicit in the Holocaust. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered on its soil without them having met any German officer."
EDIT2: Poland's own Center for Holocaust Research is publicly defending Jan Grabowski, who wrote an entire book documenting "the involvement of the local Polish population in the process of detecting and killing the Jews who sought their aid."
This should be required reading for r/conspiracy. It's scholarly, sourced and written by a "self-hating" Jewish professor whose family had experienced the holocaust.
... didn't know about ITT. I knew about IBM and the Nazis.
It's not as if any of the now dead people who were in the camps left behind evidence of things one way or another either. None of them wrote books, articles, or spoke about their experiences in the camps either. And nobody ever checked out the Nazi-German records to see if they mention the Holocaust either.
Nope, there is no evidence about what happened at all. Anywhere.
Someday I am sure somebody will look into it. But first.... what is that thing that keeps speeding by me in the road? One of those things might hit somebody. People could get hurt. I'm going to need to write my Congressman.
Holocaust denial is not about Jews, it's about Fascism. Fascist parties and movements have a major credibility problem. They can never be viewed as mainstream political movements because of their Nazi past. All any opponent or critic has to do to discredit them is to point to National Socialism and the Holocaust.
To redeem Fascism, to give it even a chance at respectability, they first have to cast doubt on the Holocaust. If the Holocaust didn't happen, or if it didn't happen in the way we have all been told, then the Nazis were just another political movement, and there is nothing inherently wrong with Fascism itself.
Deborah Lipstadt, in Denying the Holocaust, articulates this far better and more convincingly than I do.
Also, the book 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis By Lenni Brenner.
Zionists are more like Nazis than they are proclaimed Jews.
did the zionists collaborate with the nazi party?
https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338
https://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/05/nazi-coin-sparks-theories-of-alleged-nazi-jewish-zionist-collaboration-001722689.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_Side:_The_Secret_Relationship_Between_Nazism_and_Zionism
the never ending rabbit hole that is life. can't even discern truth from fiction everything is so obfuscated. personally I just want to find out the truth no matter how uncomfortable it is.
Anybody interested in deeper reading on the topic should read None is Too Many
https://www.amazon.ca/None-too-Many-Canada-1933-1948/dp/155263289X
> He claimed there was "real collaboration" between Zionists and the Nazis
There was collaboration and it was definitely real.
https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338
You might be reading too much into the word "real". That's a biased semantic interpretation which you likely cannot defend.
As to your claim that he defended the joke itself. That is false. He declared the joke utterly rude and obscene but said that he had spent time with Shah and didn't believe she was an anti-semite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY5-OianGnc
> you use inhabitants for Palestinians, while using Zionists as an aggressor, I would assume that you have a bias towards this situation.
Yes, I have a bias towards factual accuracy. Note that the Palestinians didn't arrive from Ukraine or Brooklyn, the Zionists did, and the Zionists didn't end up murdered, raped or forced into refugee camps there, the Palestinians did.
>Holocaust
which had nothing to do with Palestinians, so...
But in fact the Zionist had themselves struck a bargain with Nazis to promote emigration to Israel https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338
>those kicked out from middle eastern countries
You mean the Mizrahi jews whom Israel didn't even recognize as refugees until it became convenient to do so in order to counter the rights of palestinians https://972mag.com/spineless-bookkeeping-the-use-of-mizrahi-jews-as-pawns-against-palestinian-refugees/56472/
Palestinians who were, again, were not responsible for what happens in Morocco or Iraq... except in the fevered minds of Zionists for whom they're all just a bunch of Arabs and subject to collective punishment. And FYI lets not forget that the Zionist themselves probably bombed Jews in Baghdad to convince them to move to Israel
https://www.amazon.com/Ben-Gurions-Scandals-Haganah-Mossad-Eliminated/dp/1893302407
In fact according to CIA officer Wilbur Crane Eveland:
>>"In an attempt to portray the Iraqis as anti-American and to terrorize the Jews, the Zionists planted bombs in the U.S. Information Service library and in the synagogues. Soon leaflets began to appear urging Jews to flee to Israel... most of the world believed reports that Arab terrorism had motivated the flight of the Iraqi Jews whom the Zionists had 'rescued' really just in order to increase Israel’s Jewish population."https://www.amazon.com/Ropes-Sand-Americas-Failure-Middle/dp/0393013367/
And ...
>the Palestinians rejected it and then countered with a war which they lost
Actually the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians started before the 1948 war in places like Jaffa and Haifa, where the local population was gathered up into the village square, bombarded with mortar fire, and literally forced into the sea where British naval vessels picked up the survivors and took them eventually to refugee camps.
And the idea that innocent Palestinian villagers and women and children are somehow collectively responsible for the actions of the Jordanian or Egyptian military is yet another example of the Zionist racist tribalistic mind set of "heck they're all just Arabs"
PS the last time someone claimed that people who lost wars could be ethnically cleansed, he had a funny little moustache.
Plenty of Jews object to Israels cooption of the Holocaust to promote its own political legitimacy and agenda
http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X
If the OP is interested in more about Irving and what it means to be a holocaust denier, I would recommend Lying About Hitler by Richard Evans and the book that lead to the trial it covers, Denying the Holocaust by Deborah Lipstadt
Some black groups in America supported the slogans "Africans back to Africa", these people are ones who are willing to sacrifice people from their community to meet their political objectives. Same was the case with the zions who had collaborated with Hitler.
Poor Muslim labourers cannot afford this because they are the ones losing first if secularism goes while Muslim businessmen would vote for right or liberal or right wing agenda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
Morality and the Holocaust. A topic that extends across many other branches including cultural theory, psychology religion, and literary studies. The motivation behind this topic is how the atrocity reframes (or should reframe) our views on morality, analyzing what moral theories might have condoned its escalation, how to approach historical events and what we can gain from studying them, and so forth. There's actually been some very interesting work done within the last few decades from Philosophers who have used psychological experiments from Phillip Zimbardo (Stanford Prison Experiment) and Solomon Asch (conformity experiments) on perpetrator thinking in the context of the Holocaust.
If anyone is looking for an amazing collection of essays and a great introduction to the topic check out A Holocaust Reader: Responses to the Nazi Extermination, edited by Michael L. Morgan, who I had the wonderful opportunity of having as a professor when he was visiting mine at the time. Some of the people featured include Levi, Adorno, Arendt, Buber, Wiesel, and Fackenheim.
It seems all literature about Arabs sympathizing with Nazis revolve around Al-Husseini, a marginal man in exile who lost his status several years before he knew Hitler. The connections that one man and few others - who they had their own motives - had with the Germans is not enough to call every Arab literally a Nazi.
By your logic, a lot of other nationalities and races took more active role in the Axis. [Jews] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FzmvniIUmc) and Zionists, Christian Chruch. But don't see much hate directed to them.
Really? Check out the history of Zionism and the Nazis...
http://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338
http://www.amazon.com/The-Transfer-Agreement-25th-Anniversary-Edition/dp/0914153137/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=51pBrljOWRL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR106%2C160_&refRID=0GN1CVGSZNESC2C73HZZ
Hell, Google the history of the Lehi. Or, check out this link and the sources provided... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence
Or downvote facts? Rebel against knowledge. "Ignorance is strength. War is peace. Freedom is slavery."
http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X
Jewish American Literature, huh?
You should read this.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X
These Redditors help explain how things like this happened: https://www.amazon.com/None-Too-Many-Canada-1933-1948/dp/155263289X/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
I haven't read The Holocaust Industry in a while, but if I am not mistaken, it rejects what you're saying and offers a completely different perspective. Please read the book in its entirety before criticizing it or me.
These 3 books I recommend: Jasenovac - Auschwitz of the Balkans by Gideon Greif, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican by Vladimir Dedijer, Jasenovac and the Holocaust in Yugoslavia by Barry M. Lituchy and 44 Months in Jasenovac by Egon Berger.
Although I think that you could just Google "Jasenovac concentration camp" and "Sisak children's concentration camp"(the only concentration camp during WW2 dedicated specifically for children) and read some articles about that. I also think that even Wikipedia pages for these two are sufficient enough and you don't have to spend money on books.
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Watercolours: A Story from Auschwitz by Lidia Ostałowska?
A many-layered work of historical reportage, Watercolours draws on the real life story of Dina Gottliebova-Babbitt (1923-2009), a Czech-American artist of Jewish ancestry, who was a prisoner at Auschwitz, and whose story came to light in the late 1990s.
Josef Mengele took a special interest in her talent, commissioning her to paint portraits (the watercolours of the title) of Roma prisoners. Mengele himself is one of the many characters in this narrative.
Ostałowska draws on hundreds of studies and accounts of the hell of the camps, and tells the story of one woman’s incarceration and her battle for survival, bringing in many other supporting lives. Before she worked for Mengele, Gottliebova had decorated the children’s barracks at Auschwitz with images from the Disney film, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. After the war, she worked as an animator for Warner Brothers and married Walt Disney animator Art Babbitt, the man behind many of the world’s best-known cartoon characters including Goofy and Dumbo.
It's more complicated than most people realize.
In a way it makes sense: Zionists are ethno-nationalists. For example the Christchurch killer was an avid Zionist and stated in his lame manifesto that Israel had the right idea.
But I understand your deeper argument. It's sort of like when a person is abused as a child and grows up to become a child abuser. People are incredulous: YOU WERE ABUSED, WHY ARE YOU DOING THE SAME THING? I don't really understand it either; my parents are saints. But apparently it's pretty common.
In the case of Israel I think there's a very strong tribalistic aspect. Jews are taught from infancy that they are destined to be both persecuted and great. That's some heady stuff.
https://www.amazon.in/Conversations-Crow-Gregory-Douglas-ebook/dp/B00GHMAQ5E/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1462721376&sr=1-1&keywords=Conversations+with+the+Crow
https://www.amazon.com/Conversations-Crow-Gregory-Douglas-ebook/dp/B00GHMAQ5E
As to if its reasonable to question the factuality of the Holocaust, I cant determine what is reasonable for other people. From my perspective, the evidence supporting the Holocaust is absolutely undeniable. Photographic evidence (NSFL), the physical existence of the camps, primary accounts of the camps which range from camp gaurds to camp liberators to imprisoned Jews suggest that the genocide happened, and futher supports the idea that it existed on a massive scale. Further, the Nuremberg trials were heavily based on primary evidence, and concluded that the Holocaust existed. And these examples are but a drop in the bucket of a massive collection of stories, confessions, and testimonies concerning the extermination of the Jewish people.
For me, it is simply impossible to deny the Holocaust.
There are a lot of reasons why a person might deny the holocaust: ignorance, contrarianism, or a general conspiratorial attitude. However, the most infamous Holocaust deniers generally do so from a politically biased perspective. The Holocaust had tremendous political and social implications for many Jews, including the creation of a Jewish homeland in the Levant. Anti-semites, Arab nationalists, and Anti-westerners have rejected the Holocaust that the might sabotage the legitimacy of Israel, as well as justify their own extreme rhetoric.
This isnt to say that there isnt interesting and important questions which need to be asked of the Holocaust. Many historians have, and continue to, explore the question of "What did x person know, and when?" or "How did the Holocaust evolve as national policy?" Holocaust historians continue to explore these questions, and ask hard questions to try and explain why such a sad and traumatic event happened.
As a final note, Ive really focused on the Jewish Holocaust. The Russian genocide, which goes hand-in-hand with the Jewish Holocaust, is really very similar. In fact, many Nazi's were more willing to admit to what happened in Russia, given the climate of Post-War politics concerning the Eastern Bloc. But at the same time, AFAIK there are no serious deniers of the Russian Holocaust, especially because the Russians rally around it as a nationalistic point.
Good examinations of Holocaust denial are Richard Evan's Lying about Hitler and Deborah Lipstadt's Denying the Holocaust.
Before you speak of "Post-Shoah" Zionism. Take a read at this
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You should read War and Genocide by Doris Bergen. It's about the Holocaust, but it explains how war and genocide often goes hand in hand, as was also true in the 90s.
You might want to look elsewhere. This sub, and site, aren't very accepting of Holocaust skepticism.
I'd suggest reading actual books on the subject. Here's some places to start:
https://www.amazon.com/Denying-Holocaust-Growing-Assault-Memory/dp/0452272742
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0520216121/ref=pd_aw_sim_14_of_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=5DEFX2BVQA1NXDGX1XPE
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0465021530/ref=pd_aw_sim_14_of_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=PK9GJG86KSCWJVVXB91M
Or visit /r/Holocaust for some community based skepticism
Which is more insulting, the fact that "someone" inflated the numbers and created an epic lie on the backs of peoples suffering or the fact that "someone" is trying to figure out the truth of it all?
Dr. Norman Finkelstein lost both of his parents in the "Holocaust" and he explains it pretty well in his book, The Holocaust Industry.
http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation-Suffering/dp/185984488X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261517612&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation-Suffering/dp/185984488X
>What is it about us humans that religion of any form can have this effect of removing, or alleviating mental blocks?
I don't think this is limited to religion. It happens within all sorts on non-religious contexts as well. The military, Nazi's, gangs, Soviets, Strait Edgers, sports fans (i.e. that tragic incident involving Dodgers fans and the soccer riots after every other English footbal match), Stanford prison experiment, the other experiment where researchers told subjects to admister what they thought lethal electric shocks and they did, large corporations, highschool cliques, etc.
Numerous books have been written on this question. It is an interesting and important question, to be sure. I don't think there is a simple answer.
Here's one citation.
Also, some background.
>Oh, your point is 100% correct. Israel is the Jewish state.
No. It's a racist ethnostate, much like that envisioned of Adolph himself. And before you retort with some more puerile name calling, take a quick peek at Lenni Brenner's 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.
>Oh, what a tangled web we weave when our hate for Israel and Jews supersedes all logic and morality. A person that helps someone commit a crime is more guilty than the person who actually commits the crime? You got a legal precedent for that?
First of all, I don't "hate" teh joos. In fact, in some respects, I have the utmost respect for a people who have pulled off some of the shit they've managed to pull off. Your request for legal precedent indicates that you must agree that the law makes no distinction between principle and aider and abettor. We'll just leave it at that since you like the law so much. Israel may plead guilty now - to murder. Again.
>I directly addressed the merits of your point, it appears you simply aren't intelligent enough to understand me.
So, you fancy yourself a logician, eh? Then you must recognize that your attempt to draw a general rule from the atypical case of the Reform Jews is the quintessence of the Hasty Generalization Fallacy. And some of your other points are textbook examples of argumentum ad logicam, and argumentum ad ignorantiam. And of course you've proven yourself the master of argumentum ad hominem.
Just because you cannot countenance the horrific deeds of your race-nation does not mean you have to disparage me by attempting to affiliate me with a white supremacist group. Interestingly, when Identity Christian groups mirror the exact claims of jews by claiming that they too are G-d's chosen people albeit from the Lost Tribes of Israel, they are considered a racist organization. What does that say about judaism? So you see, judaism is much more aligned with Stormfront than am I, which again explains Lenni Brenner's 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.
I don't think that any Jew is blaming Poland for the Holocaust.
Some Poles helped to save Jews from the Germans (i.e., the movement Zegota, the underground government organization working to save Jews) and some Poles actively killed Jews escaping from the Germans, this is a well documented historical fact explored in the book "Hunt for the Jews: Betrayal and Murder in German-Occupied Poland"by Jan Grabowski.
So we can see there were some good aspects of Polish/Jewish relations during WWII, and some not so good aspects of Polish/Jewish relations during WWII.
Poland has criminalised talking about the darker more troublesome aspects. Which, while being unpleasant, are nonetheless true.
https://www.amazon.com/Hunt-Jews-Betrayal-Murder-German-Occupied/dp/0253010748/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1519288441&sr=8-1&keywords=hunt+for+the+jews+poland
Yes, I agree with you the survivors and their relatives deserve better.
I back this up with the in-depth writings of Norman Finkelstein . I think his book has been mentioned, but I'll repeat it: http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X
Antisemitism shouldn't be allowed to be used like kryptonite to silence reality.
Perhaps you're familiar with Moshe Feiglin? He is advocating for the "temporary" installment of "concentration camps" and the diaspora of the Palestinians.
As far as I know the source I cited is not available in digital form yet.
http://www.amazon.com/Berlin-Downfall-1945-Antony-Beevor/dp/0670886955
War and Genocide: A Concise History of the Holocaust
There are many books on the subject, and there was a unit on it in the holocaust class I took at Cal.
http://www.amazon.com/Nazis-Islamists-Making-Modern-Middle-ebook/dp/B00I50EXP0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406651825&sr=8-1&keywords=nazi+germany+and+arabs
http://www.amazon.com/Farhud-Roots-Arab-Nazi-Alliance-Holocaust-ebook/dp/B00AGJZEOC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1406651825&sr=8-3&keywords=nazi+germany+and+arabs
http://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Germany-World-Francis-Nicosia/dp/110706712X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1406651825&sr=8-4&keywords=nazi+germany+and+arabs
and a good critical view that looks at both sides:
http://www.amazon.com/Arab-Responses-Fascism-Nazism-Attraction-ebook/dp/B00LEYR2C0/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1406651825&sr=8-7&keywords=nazi+germany+and+arabs
I recommend The Drowned And the Saved by Primo Levi.
Here's a pdf of the first two chapters (link).
It's a fairly excellent examination of how and why people in the camps behaved they way they did, among many other things. I recommend it as a companion to his more famous memoir, Survival in Auschwitz.
One of the most insightful books that I have read was a personal account written by a diarist in WWI named Ernst Junger http://m.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-wwi-diary-of-ernst-juenger-newly-published-memoir-recalls-horror-of-western-front-a-726672.html
I think a good way to understand war, any war, is to approach it via personal accounts written by those who lived through it.
When it comes to WWI, there is not a whole lot of emotional accounts or eyewitness stories due to the fact that the war was suffered by a generation that was trained to not express their feelings. Shell shock was something they never saw before and they did not know how to deal with those afflicted by the trauma of war.
As far as WWII, if you are a music fan, anything by Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) would make for a good starting point. He lost his father at a young age to the war and so much of his music is an emotional reaction to that. Watch the movie, The Wall' and listen to his album, The Final Cut.'
Also, the story about surviving Auschwitz as told by Primo Levi leaves the reader forever haunted : https://www.amazon.com/Survival-Auschwitz-Primo-Levi/dp/1492942588
Additionally, watch the original film, 'triumph of the will' if you want to learn about how propaganda works on the populace mind https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will If you have Netflix the series called Nazi Megastructures presents a heck of a lot of interesting information
Consider books about Germany after WWII -https://www.amazon.com/After-Reich-Brutal-History-Occupation-ebook/dp/B00PM8I1G0/
Nazi Germany was the only modern country to face an actual apocalypse. They deserved it. Don't get me wrong. But stories about how people faced it might be relevant.
For example, the best way to preserve large amounts of wealth is with precious gems. Not only are they valuable, they're mobile. How many gold bars can you shove up your ass?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/world/middleeast/netanyahu-saying-palestinian-mufti-inspired-holocaust-draws-broad-criticism.html
And actually it was the Zionists who collaborated with Hitler
https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338
" Non-Zionist, Non-Israeli person" aka any Holocaust historian who ever was in Israel or born in Israel or lives in Israel. Your conference had David Duke..a KKK member...enough said. You can try and legitimize all you want, but it only shows your true face. And you wonder why people think of your country in a negative light? you don't need to defend the indefensible..or perhaps you do because you could be jailed in Iran for not toeing the line? amirite?
Here are some intro books for you noobies: http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Philosophical-Implications-John-Roth/dp/1557782121
http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Reader-Responses-Nazi-Extermination/dp/0195059581/ref=pd_sim_b_8?ie=UTF8&refRID=1CZJZGRSWRGT2V8Q2DS8
I don't particularly agree with everything Norm Finkelstein has to say, but this book nailed it.
Essentially, what he argues is that some Jews have turned the Holocaust into a business and monopolized it. They use it to blackmail governments and stifle any criticism of Israel (or Judaism for that matter - not that you hear any of that...it's always either Christianity or Islam).
These people have cheapened the holocaust...they've reduced it to an excuse for them to influence world opinion, and it seems that more and more people aren't willing to be pushed around any more as they feel the zionists have depleted their moral capital.
Anyways, talking about the holocaust is never a pleasant topic. It degenerates into a petty political mudsling very quickly and insults all those who died during its course, Jews and non-Jews alike.
God, I hate explaining simple things.
All of the holocaust-themed books, movies, television productions, and history lessons have, as an undercurrent, the idea that the holocaust wasn't a condition of certain circumstances (ie, a particular regime during a losing war) but that it was a natural result of man's inherent evil. All of the above materials aim to make the viewer [1] feel guilty. I don't want to get into it too deeply, but let's say that the Jews have had considerable leniency regarding foreign policy activity as a result of the understanding that 1) they are all victims, and 2) everyone else is a criminal.
http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation-Suffering/dp/185984488X/
The performance being covered by the bbc is rather shamelessly doing the same thing.
[1] NOT JUST ME, but everyone including me, hence my original comment.
This tid-bit I learned from Eustace Mullens. Is it true? I don't really know. He was on the FBI watch list for most of his life though, so we can imagine he was on to something.
What is thouroughly documented though, is the fact that there was close collaboration between the 2.
By the way, you forgot to label me as anti-semite for speaking out against Zionism.
Norman Finkelstein has also written eloquently about this in his books "The Holocaust Industry" and "Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History".
http://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation-Suffering/dp/185984488X
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Chutzpah-Misuse-Anti-Semitism-History/dp/0520249895
IBM also provided punch-card sorting equipment, the punch cards themselves, and engineering services that supported German industrial planning, rail scheduling and the management of concentration camps.
Source
>This is an appeal to consequences.
Yes. Your actions have consequences. Welcome to adulthood.
> I do not argue in favor of discrimination against any individual
That's all very fine and well, but when you use your platform (how many subscribers do you have? Hundreds of thousands?) to argue that blacks have inferior intelligence it doesn't really matter whether you qualify your statements or not. You're just pouring fuel on the fire of racial conflict.
One of the sticking points here is that you have gone out of your way to promote a white supremacist while offering nothing in the way of criticism except to cover your own ass by (unconvincingly) claiming you don't share his views. You know what would have been more productive? You could have invited on a leftist concerned with workplace safety issues and discussed whether right-libertarianism and the destruction of unions are conducive to reducing deaths in the workplace. Apparently you would prefer to hob nob with Neo-Nazis and gutter trash like Roosh V.
>IQ may indeed be a factor in prison populations in general
Certainly not among the upper classes, considering that very bright fellows like Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan and Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs have yet to be imprisoned (or hanged, as occurred with currency speculators in the middle ages). Or did you mean to say that high IQ folks are better at evading justice? Turns out dumb rich folks don't have much to worry about either, otherwise George W. Bush would have been executed at the Hague.
>(ambition, perseverance, industriousness, rule-consciousness, risk aversion, openness, etc)
Hilarious that you didn't mention the single most important factor -- inheritance. Also hilarious that you think "rule consciousness" is associated with wealth. Haven't you ever heard the expression "nice guys finish last"?
>IQ is correlated with success, but it's not the only factor.
Not by a long shot. Jordan Peterson's claim that IQ = success is pure hogwash.
"In fact, when Zagorsky charted IQ against people’s likelihood to have financial struggles like paying bills late, declaring bankruptcy and maxing out their credit cards, people with the highest IQs were more likely to have financial instability than those with just slightly above-average scores.
"In a paper last year, Wai wrote that many of the world’s wealthiest benefit from familial largesse. “Highest average net worth appeared to be linked to inheritance, showing the wealthiest people also tended to not have been the ones to have earned their own way, even in part,” he said.
http://time.com/money/4600143/are-millionaires-smarter-than-the-rest-of-us/
As for billionaires -- don't even get me started. The richest people (who aren't even listed on the Forbes 500 -- see Michael Parenti "the Super-rich are out of site") inherit their wealth. The greatest artists in history mostly died poor. We don't live in a meritocracy. We live in a plutocracy.
>blacks are superior in some ways to whites
What, in terms of athletics? That's debatable.
>I don't recall him arguing that they are less than human.
And here you are again defending this piece of trash.
>I have argued that in terms of psychology, a black man has more in common with a white man than a black woman, and vice versa.
Indeed.
>As for your assertions about how this is all a plot by billionaires and the CIA or whatever, what the FUCK does that matter?
It would seem to matter quite a lot, considering that people of your ilk seem to be under the mistaken impression that "the left" is responsible for feminism and identity politics. As it turns out it was the far right that bankrolled the whole affair -- the same class of people you support.
>It's not billionaires rioting in the streets destroying the property of people who don't even have anything to do with this.
Again I encourage you to read up on the history of this sort of stuff. I'd be happy to provide you with a list of resources, including by former CIA officers like Philip Agee (though I should warn you that some of them are in book form). The CIA, incidentally, was founded by a bunch of Wall Street bankers and lawyers. You're effectively blaming the hitman while ignoring the Mafia Don.
>Calling a Jew a Jewish supremacist and human excrement... how very nazi-esque of you.
Zionists got along just fine with the Nazis. They were both supremacists.
Tell me, do you agree with Shapiro that the Palestinians should be be expelled from Gaza, even after most of their land has already been stolen and their people ethnically cleansed? And keeping in mind that this would be violation of the Geneva Conventions?
I repeat that Shapiro is human excrement. And talk about neoteny! ;)
Edit: few words
It really comes down to "marketing". It might sound crazy, but if you want to learn more about this topic you should read this Norman Finkelstein's book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X
These 2 soucres both claim half a million deaths die to ethnic cleansing by the Allies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/03/the-forgotten-story-of-when-the-germans-were-the-refugees/
https://www.amazon.com.au/After-Reich-Brutal-History-Occupation-ebook/dp/B00PM8I1G0
Careful, you might uncover some very uncomfortable truths. ;) That's edited by a Jewish academic, incidentally.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X
Jewish intellectual lays out how the Holocaust has been turned into an "extortion racket."
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/01/irene-zisblatt-diamond-girl-fact-or.html
Bloggers who have spent years debating Holocaust deniers admit that a modern Holocaust celebrity (featured prominently in a recent Spielberg Holocaust documentary) is a complete liar.
Most people are pointing out the obvious like this, they arent denying it happened.
They're a self governing territory same as the west bank. But you're still correct it's the military regime is Hamas who sinks aid money into digging tunnels they can use to attack Israel from and rockets. Let's not pretend they're some innocent party here, they store weapons in schools and mosques for fucks sake. Also the claim that the land was stolen from them is just flat out a lie. Prior to WWI it was a part of the Ottoman empire. Afterwards the parts not governed by Britain were controlled by Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and the French.
From a thread in a different sub by
/u/mightymetricbatman
To explain the history of why Israel does not take any shit from its Arab neighbors particularly groups like Hamas who exist to kill them all. And don't take my word for it it's in their founding charter.
"Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."
They don't want to peace they want to destroy Israel and slaughter the Jews. How would you deal with a group like that?
The reasons for this go back prior to Israel being founded.
I'll repost something from another thread in a different sub. Credit goes to /u/mightymetricbatman
In 1941 there was an Arab uprising against Britain by Arabs that considered themselves allies of the Nazis. They lasted about a month, but not before instigating the Farhud, the largest and deadliest pogrom in the middle east. Only a prelude to the civil rights taken away from Jews in Iraq after WW2 which would the Jewish community in Iraq. A community 1000 years older than Islam and had played host to the exilarch, or 'patriach in exile', the last known family in direct descent of King David. See The Farhud by Edwin Black, the same guy behind IBM and the Holocaust and The Transfer Agreement. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AGJZEOC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
In the early Muslim Brotherhood itself the biggest ally of the Nazis was Sayyid Qutb, whose personal tome is translated from Arabic, 'My Struggle Against the Jews' - the reference is obvious. Qutb was far more willing to use than the founder Hassan Al-Banna and as such Al-Qaeda and Hamas are merely implementations of their spiritual grandfather.
The Ba'ath parties that dominated after overthrowing their appropriate kings in Egypt, Iraq, and Syria were all modeled after the Nazi party. As Hitler had espoused a pan-Germanic nationalism, so did Ba'ath promote a pan-Arabic nationalism. Briefly resulting in the United Arab Republic of Egypt-Syria, a terribly unstable and viciously racist affair.
In 1944 the Nazis made a last ditch effort to expand the Holocaust to British Palestine. In Operation Atlas three German Templars that lived in Palestine together with two Arabs parachuted in British Palestine with enough Arsenic to kill 250,000 people. They planned to poison the water supply of Tel Aviv. This was last ditch because of course the Nazis were pushed back by the Soviet Union instead of being able to expand the 'normal' processes of the Holocaust to the area. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Operation_Atlas_(Mandatory_Palestine)
Edit: The Arab League boycott of the Jewish community based in British Palestine, now Israel began in 1945. It was modeled after the Nazi boycott of the Jewish community. Note that 1945 is before the creation of Israel, before the Nakba, before the 1967 Six Day War, before the occupation. The boycott was about the Yishuv, or Jewish Community in Palestine, largely calling for having an independent state, not some protest about the treatment of Arabs in Palestine. A person who is joining the modern BDS movement, is in actuality joining the Arab Boycott as the PLO is part of the Arab League. And that boycott is modeled after the Nazis. There is nothing new under the sun. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Arab_League_boycott_of_Israel
TL;DR A number of Arabs, some of which were instrumental to the future of the Middle East considered themselves more allied to the Nazis than vice versa. Their admiration of the Nazis created many of both the authoritarian regimes that dominated the latter half of the 20th century and inspired some of the worst Islamist terrorist groups today.
You mean how each year there are more holocaust survivors for whom lawyers discover new claims to be compensated for while they collect the profits?
No, I don't think satisfied is the correct description for the German feelings towards that shakedown.
>The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering
(EDIT: I'd like to remind you folks of reddiquette. this is factual sourced information not some conspiracy theory.)
Al-Husayni wasn't even in Palestine when he was in contact with the Nazis, and he wasn't part of a significant movement.
And you should also be aware of Nazi - Zionist ties.
http://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338
Some summary quotes
The Zionists also had a trade plan with the Berlin government by which German Jews could redeem their property in Nazi goods exported to then British-occupied Palestine. And to top it all off, the infamous SS-Hptscharf. Adolf Eichmann, had visited Palestine, in October, 1937, as the guest of the Zionists. He also met, in Egypt, with Feivel Polkes, a Zionist operative, whom Eichmann described as a “leading Haganah functionary.” The chain-smoking Polkes was also on the Nazis’ payroll “as an informer.”
As early as June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation was sending a secret memorandum to the Nazis, which said, in part:
“It is our opinion that an answer to the Jewish question truly satisfying to the national state [German Reich] can be brought about only with the collaboration of the Jewish movement that aims as a social, cultural and moral renewal of Jewry- -indeed, that such a national renewal must first create the decisive social and spiritual premises for all solutions...”
Incredibly, Avraham Stern, the leader of the notorious “Stern Gang,” late in 1940, made a written proposal to Hitler, by which the Jewish militias in Palestine, would fight on “Germany’s side,” in the war against England, in exchange for the Nazis help in resolving the “Jewish Question” in Europe, and their assistance in creating an “historic Jewish state.” By this date, German troops had already marched into Prague, invaded Poland, and had built the first concentration camp at Auschwitz. The deranged Stern had further bragged about how the Zionist organizations were “closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in [their] ideology and structure.” Stern’s obscene proposal was found in the German embassy, in Turkey, after WWII.