Reddit reviews Meditations: A New Translation
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We found 59 Reddit comments about Meditations: A New Translation. Here are the top ones, ranked by their Reddit score.
This used to happen to me so much! I can totally sympathize with your situation.
I'm not sure if you're looking for any help, but in my case, I was able to overcome being called out with the following thought process:
When people mention my name in social gatherings (like lectures or parties) I now feel pride in myself, instead of wanting to throw myself out of the nearest exit door. So that's a plus.
I know, I love the translation too, that's why I always look for this specific picture for this passage!
I saved the picture from this tweet here. The author includes a picture of the book cover, however I'm not sure if that is the cover of the book the picture was taken from. The book is here on Amazon and has the ISBN 9381841934 and is published by Grapevine India Publishers. Again, I'm not sure if this would be the version this page is from, but it is my best guess without DMing the author of the tweet directly.
ETA: This is the Gregory Hays translation, link to Amazon book can be found here.
First, a quote: "Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present." - Marcus Aurelius
Second, seriously, buy the book of wisdom about him. I promise you it's on the shelf with dog-eared pages of every successful person you'll ever meet.
Third, don't worry about the world ending. It's not, it won't.
You're living in literally (literally) the safest, most prosperous time in all of human history. You're fine. Shit is fine.
Get of social media. You're being mislead by dumb people saying dumb things about stuff they don't, nor ever will, understand.
You're just being subjected to the information overload fallacy. That's all.
You think what your read is real. It's not. Example, gun violence in America has fallen to all time historic lows, but reporting on gun violence in the last 20 years has increased 300%. So people think there's some crisis now, when it's the safest it's ever been.
You're fine. The planet is fine. The US is fine. Go enjoy life.
Correct, and for people whose time is more valuable - the best translation is not free, but it is cheap and very much worth it:
Out of the books I read, these were my favorite.
I suppose these focus less on "leadership" so much as management. But they are all helpful when it comes to thinking about being a leader.
I also can't stress enough the importance of being introspective, and taking the time for self reflection. It's crucial that you be able to take a look at yourself, and see how your actions affect others. How you make others feel. Things like that. I know that's not particularly helpful, but I guess all I can say is do whatever makes the most sense for you to make yourself a more empathetic human being.
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If you don’t have it I would highly recommend you get one; the Gregory Hays translation of Meditations. Amazon Link
Want to read more books on Stoicism? checkout these lists: r/Stoicism’s the Stoic Reading List | Ryan Holliday’s Lists 1 & 2| Goodreads
As always if you have a favorite part of Meditations or want to see any other stoic passage in a future posts, please feel free to message me or comment anytime. Anyways, have a nice day/night where every you happen to be… All the best, Chris.
I've read several over the years, and find myself coming back to the Hays. Its language resonates with me, and I find the end notes supremely helpful. Different translations may appeal to different personalities; FWIW I'm a programmer, atheist, pragmatic, curious.
For example, here are two translations of 4.7:
>Choose not to be harmed—and you won't feel harmed.
>Don't feel harmed—and you haven't been. (Hays 2002)
>Stop trying to make something of it, and you will rid yourself of the notion, "I've been wronged." Overcome your hurt feelings or injured pride in this way, and you will get rid of the wrong itself.(Hicks 2002)
Whichever you pick: enjoy it, learn from it, ... and, in a year or two, try a different translation. This is a good reminder book, to be reexamined periodically.
I recommend reading "meditations" by marcus aurelius
Meditations -Marcus Aurelius
Enchridion - Epictetus
These Stoic texts are essential to deal with the world around me.
That’s the Hays translation. I have that one and the language is much better than some others I’ve seen posted.
I have the Penguin Great Ideas edition translated by Maxwell Staniforth. I liked it. The translation flowed well and was easy to read.
There is a newer translation by Gregory Hays I haven't read this one, but this review gives a couple of side by side comparisons.
As a practicing Stoic, he put a lot of good commonsense wisdom into action and wrote about how it worked for him. Not everything he wrote or did will please everyone, but he's got some very perceptive things to say and actually did what he recommended much of the time.
Here's his Meditations in a readable modern translation for only six bucks in paperback or Kindle.
I myself prefer the Gregory Hays edition after seeing it recommended elsewhere.
I would actually recommend the modern translation of the book, it’s worth the cost. Easier to understand. https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255
Discourses by Epictetus
A truly amazing book by a slave-turned-philosopher on having a mindset to face any challenges one might face.
Fun fact: The teachings of this philosopher bore a significant influence on Marcus Aurelius and his writings in The Meditations; as well as further Christian scholars down the ages as they adapted Epictetus' teachings to their own by replacing Epictetus' view of "fate" or "destiny" with one of "God".
The thing here that sticks out to me is that not once did you mention any specific thing that you enjoy doing or have a passion for.
Your goal was to make money and prove your dad wrong. That is not a sustainable way to direct your energy. I think it's very lucky that you were able to identify your problem as rooted in your dad and not money per se.
A lot of people pursue money as it's own means and own end and it ends up never being enough and it destroys them. You have to fail, sometimes spectacularly, to learn that kind of lesson and here you are, still young and in the prime place to learn from that mistake so don't feel bad.
I think you really need to sit back and try to figure out what really drives you. Why did you start an online company for example? There are a lot of ways to make money.
Why go that route specifically, and what did you sell? Were you drawn to that for some intrinsic reason other than you thought you'd make the most money that way or did you stumble on something that spoke to you and you were able to drive that to success because of passion? Generally, people aren't able to reach that level unless they're somehow interested in that field.
the short but powerful guide to finding your passion
coaching the artist within - this is geared towards artists but it starts out with trying to get you to find what you're passionate about and then lessons on mastering anxiety, mental blocks and fear of failure. It also sounds like you want to be self directed rather than on a career path which is similar to the 'artist life'.
Drive: The Surprising Truth about what Motivates us
Willpower: Rediscovering the Greatest Human Strength
On the Shortness of Life
The Wisdom of Insecurity
The Art of Nonconformity:Set Your Own Rules, Live the Life You Want, and Change the World
Things Might go Terribly, Horribly Wrong: A Guide to Life Liberated from Anxiety
Here are a few things to get you started. They don't have 'the answer' per se, but I think they'll go a long way in helping you reframe your idea of motivation, discipline, and how to deal with fear of failure. And get you started on the right path.
I will also add: do not be afraid to find a good therapist (preferably one trained in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) especially if you are still under 26 and are on your Mom's insurance.
I am not suggesting you have an illness from the DSM-V per se. However, I think any time you're unhappy and are struggling to reach goals, at a certain point that is a 'mental health issue' you need help with and a therapist is the ideal 'coach' to get you through it with tested and verified methods (and likely in a finite amount of meetings.)
I have this version. It is great. Whenever I read a passage from it I have to sit back and think for a while because it blows my mind.
OP, I think you will benefit from reading it. It uses plain English. Here it is on amazon:
The Meditations, fortunately, have been widely published and are almost certainly available in your native language.
I'm a huge fan of the Hays translation. Much easier reading.
The Gregory Hayes translation! I've tried out 4 different translations, and it's by far the most readable. It's also the one Ryan Holiday, arguably the most influential modern writer on Stoicism, recommends.
Get it here: https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&amp;me=
Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
Some translations are cheaper, but the one I linked above is the one I have (bird on the cover), and is easier to read. It's a personal journal where he talks about what he learned from people, how to approach problems, etc. There's really no structure, just his random thoughts.
I was going through a particularly tough time when I picked up the book a couple years ago. I love his thought process and following his way has made me a happier person overall.
Give Gregory Hays' 'The Meditations' a try. While its still far from an exciting read, I found that its much more reasonable to work through. Probably best read in doses and re-reading honestly.
Yeah, There is a free version online as a pdf, however I did see you wanted a printed version so here's a link to that,
Hays tr.: https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255
Hard tr.: https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-selected-correspondence-Oxford-Classics/dp/0199573204
Links go to the American Amazon store.
I suggest reading "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius, which you can read for free at Project Gutenberg or buy the superior Gregory Hays translation.
I've followed some of the anti-tilt material in the poker world and I think I still prefer some basic Stoicism. I try to play with the mentality of a soldier: You can't expect to win every battle; sometimes conditions of loss and victory are simply beyond your control. Your sole duty is to do the best you can, regardless of the outcome.
Also, if you're just starting I'd recommend SNGs over cash games. You're less likely to burn through buy-ins as quickly as you would in a bad cash session and the educational value of the games is also pretty decent.
>That things have no hold on the soul. They stand there unmoving, outside it. Disturbance comes only from within—from our own perceptions.
>Choose not to be harmed—and you won’t feel harmed. Don’t feel harmed—and you haven’t been.
>Stop perceiving the pain you imagine and you’ll remain completely unaffected.
>Discard your misperceptions. Stop being jerked like a puppet. Limit yourself to the present. Understand what happens—to you, to others. Analyze what exists, break it all down: material and cause. Other people’s mistakes? Leave them to their makers.
>Today I escaped from anxiety. Or no, I discarded it, because it was within me, in my own perceptions—not outside.
"If anyone can refute me— show me I’m making a mistake or looking at things from the wrong perspective— I’ll gladly change. It’s the truth I’m after, and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance."
Meditations, Number 21 Book 6 (Gregory Hays translation)
I actually got into a discussion with some folks about that quote; they were suggesting that it is a bit self-contradictory. Turns out the term "perspective" tends to bring in a modern sense of subjectivity that makes it seem self-contradictory (i.e. "are any perspectives wrong? Or just different ways of looking at the same thing?"). Not a debate Aurelius was intending there, I don't think. So, to supplement, below are the two other translations of the same bit, with less ambiguity there.
"If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek the truth, which never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion and ignorance which does harm." Maxwell Staniforth translation
"If someone can prove me wrong and show me my mistake in any thought or action, I shall gladly change. I seek the truth, which never harmed anyone: the harm is to persist in one's on self-deception and ignorance." Martin Hammond translation (I picked this up at a used bookstore—can't find it on Amazon offhand...)
On the subject of translations, I'm no Greek scholar so I can't offer an informed opinion on which is most "accurate to intent." For easy reading I prefer the Gregory Hays one, and so it is the one I recommend to people interested in reading Meditations for the first time (and which is why it is the one I generally "quote"). But if you love Meditations is much as I do, my next recommendation would be to read every translation you can get your hands on.
EDIT: Links to books of each translation.
I believe the most accessible, deepest, and all-around best stoic work to be Aurelius' Meditations. Aurelius, as the last good emperor of Rome, wrote personal notes to himself that have been passed down and read constantly by everyone from John Stuart Mill to Bill Clinton. It has changed my life, and I was riddled with anxiety. I see now that my above Amazon link is on sale for only $6. This is the best translation by far. Don't bother reading any translation that's not by Hays, they're all very old and clunky.
Here are some quotes specifically about motivation. Realizing that you lose your mind even quicker than your body:
>Not just that every day more of our life is used up and less and less of it is left, but this too: if we live longer, can we be sure our mind will still be up to understanding the world--to the contemplation that aims at divine and human knowledge? If our mind starts to wander, we'll still go on breathing, go on eating, imagining things, feeling urges and so on. But getting the most out of ourselves, calculating where our duty lies, analyzing what we hear and see, deciding whether it's time to call it quits--all those things you need a healthy mind for...all those gone.
> So we need to hurry.
> Not just because we move daily closer to death but also because our understanding--our grasp of the world--may be gone before we get there.
And of course, getting out of bed in the morning:
> At dawn, when you have trouble getting out of bed, tell yourself: 'I have to go to work — as a human being. What do I have to complain of, if I'm going to do what I was born for — the things I was brought into the world to do? Or is this what I was created for? To huddle under the blankets and stay warm?'
> — But it's nicer in here ...
> So you were born to feel 'nice'? Instead of doing things and experiencing them? Don't you see the plants, the birds, the ants and spiders and bees going about their individual tasks, putting the world in order, as best they can? And you're not willing to do your job as a human being? Why aren't you running to do what your nature demands?
> — But we have to sleep sometime ...
> Agreed. But nature set a limit on that — as it did on eating and drinking. And you're over the limit. You've had more than enough of that. But not of working. There you're still below your quota.
> You don't love yourself enough. Or you'd love your nature too, and what it demands of you. People who love what they do wear themselves down doing it, they even forget to wash or eat. Do you have less respect for your own nature than the engraver does for engraving, the dancer for the dance, the miser for money or the social climber for status? When they're really possessed by what they do, they'd rather stop eating and sleeping than give up practicing their arts.
> Is helping others less valuable to you? Not worth your effort?
There is no definite answer to this question. Meditations is always a hard read and it depends on what your preferences are.
I'd like to refer you to the FAQ, where several translations are compared. For more comparisons, see this comment.
Most people here seem to like George Hays translation.
The translation by George Long is freely available online here, but in general quite hard to read as it resembles a 'biblical' writing style.
Some people also liked the version by Hicks.
The Gregory Hays translation is the one I own, and you'll find people in this subreddit raving over it. Of the translations I've read from on the internet, the language presented in his version is as modern and concise as you'll find--I'd definitely check it out.
It's relatively cheap on amazon too.
Hey, I’ve been through something similar but I’m not going to pretend that I know exactly what you’re feeling. Something that helped me greatly and kept my head above water through the whole thing was a collection of writings by Marcus Aurelius (old Roman emperor) called Meditations. Pick up the Gregory Hays translation. I’ve never read a book of personal philosophy that changed my life so profoundly and actually taught me how to work through what felt like utter devastation. You’re not alone.
This is the one most people buy: https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255
I'll also suggest books on Stoicism and Philosophy. However, before you jump right into the ancient/classical wisdom I'd recommend a modern introduction to introduce and help digest the principles.
A Guide to the Good Life: The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy by William Irvine.
Then - Move onto Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, and the rest. A great way to embrace stoic ideas daily is The Daily Stoic by Ryan Holiday
Also, strong recommendations for:
This one best simplest English version it's by Gregory Hays
I recommend starting with Gregory Hays’ translation of Meditations. This quotation is from that version.
I also just enjoy typesetting stuff! (Figures, since I am a graphic design major.)
Project Gutenberg has been a great resource, lots and lots of examples/books that require different styles of organization. I am currently working on a LaTeX version of Beowulf, the fun part of this for me has been trying to create a page layout that does the poem justice and treats all the footnotes and sidenotes nicely. I've also made my own copies of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn in similar fashion.
Another thing I am working on is Marcus Aurelius' meditations. I bought a copy of Gregory Hays Translation, which I used as an exercise in creating a "journal" format in LaTeX. Now, I am playing around with showing several translations of Meditations (a number are on the internet) and putting them in LaTeX so that the same passages, but translated into English differently, are side-by-sde.
I have a number of these little projects. Only a few of them have been finished.
Sure thing! Make sure you order the paperback version - supposedly amazon likes to change translations depending on what format you pick.
How to Be A Stoic by Massimo Pigliucci is my favorite, and the first book I read on it.
The Guide To The Good Life by William Irvine is also pretty good.
Ryan Holiday's books are good too; I just finished Ego is The Enemy, and while not strictly Stoic, it has Stoic values. He also has a daily devotion type book called The Daily Stoic.
You can also get this version of [Meditations] (https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=9780812968255&amp;qid=1557954528&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1). I haven't finished it, but I think it's safe to recommend Meditations without having read it entirely.
The main key to Stoicism is to learn the basic ideas, and just be deliberate and conscious in life with the ideas; it's hard to change how you view things and react to events. You have to be conscious of it. A good amount of introspection helps a lot too. You can catch yourself doing something and correct yourself instead of letting your emotions and impressions lead you. Try to reflect every day on what you did a good job of and what you did a poor job of; thinking about these things makes it more likely that you'll do better the next day
The translation by Hays is good too.
>What humans experience is part of human experience.
The experience of the ox is part of the experience of oxen, as
the vine’s is of the vine, and the stone’s what is proper to
Nothing that can happen is unusual or unnatural, and
there’s no sense in complaining. Nature does not make us
endure the unendurable
Gregory Hayes translation is the best one.
Not really self help, but it can help you.
You might want to look into some stoic philosophy.
A personal favorite of mine is Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.
I second this. By all means do everything you described such as quitting substances and getting plenty of sleep. But if you are doing everything right and it still doesn't work (or if you fall apart and revert to old behaviors) then definitely consider meds and therapy. Humans are imperfectly designed and usually need a little customization.
Also, I was really happy reading your story because I was depressed for many years and recently got out of it with a combination of meds, lifestyle changes (mostly good sleep), a new job, and my new daughter. It's always great to hear about someone being good to himself like you are.
Here's my reading recommendation: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0812968255?psc=1&amp;ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
Hopefully someone will have good advice about interacting with the moms, since that sounds like the hardest part. Do you have quality legal counsel?
FYI - Get the latest translation by Hayes, I find it much more readable than the one I was using before.
I thought Hays's Translation of Meditations was the best overall stoic book I've read.
You are my pet peeve :) I can't stand people who are negative about everything. But I empathize-- that's just how you were raised, and major props for recognizing it and trying to improve.
I have two things for you:
"This is water" http://vimeo.com/66775750
And Meditations: http://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1373072505&amp;sr=8-3&amp;keywords=meditations+marcus+a+new+translation
If i may suggest something.
Elderly people need to make peace with their ageing process (both physical and mental) and a study of philosophy is the only way. This gives you the big picture in the "grand scheme" of things and you realize that everything is just natural and as they should be. Thus one learns to adapt themselves to the situation instead of being miserable over it. Obviously, this is easier said then done and hence the need for life lessons from a teacher via philosophical study. I have found the following books helpful in this regard;
So whats this book then? - https://www.amazon.ca/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255/
Is it a condensed version?
Would this bi it then? Is it the same for hardcover version? Because it says its translated by George Long
This might help you with that.
Gregory Hays translation (978-0812968255)
I haven’t read the Hicks one, but I can vouch for Hays. It’s really good.
The first copy I got was some translation that was much worse than Hays. Killed my motivation to read it because it was so hard to follow. What I’m saying is, consider the Hays version even if you’re not worried about deep or serious study.
Specifically, I had the paperback: https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255
Lol fair. Is there a difference between these editions? The first one seems like it might be different. I like the cover better though.
Meditations: A New Translation https://www.amazon.com/dp/0812968255/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_IvIqDbG5KGHR2
This is a very good video introduction to Stoicism.
The main ancient Stoic books that have survived are Marcus Aurelius's Meditations, Epictetus's Discourses and Enchiridion, which is basically a summary of the Discourses, and Seneca's Letters to Lucilius and Essays. All these editions are relatively new translations and, in Seneca's case, abridged, but they will give you an idea of what Stoicism is about. I suggest you first read the Enchiridion (it is no longer than 40 pages) and then the Meditations (around 150-200 pages), and then dig deeper if you get interested.
There are other ancient sources, and quite a lot of modern work is being done currently, but those are the ones I suggest you begin with.
Then there are very active modern Stoic communities, like /r/Stoicism, the Facebook group, and NewStoa, with its College of Stoic Philosophers, that lets you take a very good four month long course by email.
The great thing about Stoicism as a way of life is that it has neither the blind dogmatism of organized religion nor the ardent skepticism of atheism. It puts the soul back in the universe, in a way, and, on the personal level, empowers you to take responsibility for your actions and to take it easy with what you cannot control.
Of course. It’s the Gregory Hays translation, as mentioned in other comments.
This one is my copy.
Idk your country, but incase it is US I included this link too.
I have two different editions of Meditations. My favorite one is Meditations: A New Translation
The introduction is very well written and gives you some extra background on what shaped Aurelius. Translation itself is easy to read and uses modern English.
Try these books:
And see a therapist ASAP.