Best whole home & mesh wi-fi systems according to redditors
We found 444 Reddit comments discussing the best whole home & mesh wi-fi systems. We ranked the 78 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
We found 444 Reddit comments discussing the best whole home & mesh wi-fi systems. We ranked the 78 resulting products by number of redditors who mentioned them. Here are the top 20.
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You really need to have more than one AP for this. Even if you got a top-of-the-line $1000+ Cisco AP you can't handle that many clients over that much area, especially with walls. The "right" way to do this is typically to have an AP for each classroom, with placement and channels determined by a professional survey.
It sounds like you won't have the budget to do it the right way, so the next best is to get some inexpensive APs and put them in the middle of any high-use areas. Ceiling is the best place. I would not do less than 3 for this use case. I know you said that you don't have budget to run cable, but the time it will waste for students and teachers dealing with an insufficient setup would be a great disservice worth more than the ~$1000 dollars it would cost to run cable and buy APs.
Unifi is probably a good brand to look at for your use case. Solid hardware that's inexpensive. UAP-AC-Pro is best (especially convenient if you might ever have a POE switch), but the UAP-AC-Lite might be ok.
Another option (that I am not recommending) if you absolutely can't run cable might be to get one of the several brands of home-use mesh systems:
https://www.amazon.com/eero-Home-WiFi-System-Pack/dp/B00XEW3YD6
https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-High-Density-Home-Wi-Fi-System/dp/B01L9O08PW
For outdoor use, the Ubiquiti models are fairly solid, and are designed to be water resistant
Buyer's Warning: the initial configuration is not a walk in the park, but once you have it setup, you can set it and forget it. I use these as part of a small business deployment. There are plenty of guides for setup, you can even use your smart phone to set it up. Once configured, you just plug a LAN cable from your router to it and it extends the service
Here is one that I personally use
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY
Here is the link to the mobile app to configure the WAP. I advise reading up on this process to see if this is a product that you want to buy.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubnt.easyunifi
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I use Dropbox to expertly keep my content in sync. Due to the amount of content I keep in there, it is well worth the $100 per year for a Dropbox Pro subscription.
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3 Eeros for my Mesh Wireless Network WiFi System
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I have a total of 31 IP reservations according to my Eero app. This makes it a lot easier to manage my network, set up port forwarding, etc.
Look into 'mesh WiFi'. It's like a repeater, but different tech. It's what big business and hospitals use. The best one available affordably is around $300 from Ubiquiti.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01L9O08PW/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1517775900&sr=8-14&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=Ubiquiti
That's been the price on Amazon for some time. The price at BestBuy is just $1 more.
Costco has a much better deal ($299) for a 4-pack on a price per unit/puck basis, but it is members-only.
Ubiquiti's AP-AC-Lite is what I'd recommend off hand, if you already have a router.
Are you looking for a standard home Router-Firewall-AP combo or just an AP?
I've heard good things about their combo unit, AmpliFi, but I haven't used one myself:
https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Home-Wi-Fi-Router-AFI-R/dp/B01L9O07FS/
I came here to post this - glad you got it already!
You can preorder from the Google Store, Amazon 1 pack, 3 pack, Best Buy 1 pack, 3 pack, or Walmart.
They'll ship on December 6th.
Have you looked at the Ubiquiti In-Wall stuff? They are APs, but they are designed to be plugged into the wall outlet where your Ethernet port is.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-UAP-AC-Iw-Wireless-Access-x/dp/B06XZLP8Q6
You still configure them with the Controller, so you have the multiple SSIDs and VLAN mapping capability with them like you would with the APs you put on the ceiling. They also come with 2 Ethernet ports built-in, which is great too.
I know you said "put on your table", but I'm thinking maybe you just mean "not-ceiling". If so, these In-Wall units are pretty darn good.
Yes I am. I have deployed dozens of these and love them.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HXT8T5O/ref=psdc_1194486_t3_B015PRO512
Their coverage and reliability is phenomenal. I have a handful of them at a small middle school supporting 150-200 devices with heavy usage and they are rock solid.
I suggested the others because they are much friendlier for novice users to setup and use.
>All of those are very new devices...they have to prove themselves before I can think about implementing them in a home or small business.
I'd much rather deploy something relatively new than something that's hasn't been updated in three years and is now being officially discontinued.
>I've seen eero but i don't see it doing anything different than an airport extreme with two expresses.
I didn't think Airport Express supported AC?
Can anyone help me with my rural internet plan? Not super FIRE related, but I know a lot of folks here have probably encountered the same obstacle.
I'm in an area that can only get HughesNet, with their lovely 24-month contract only plans and low caps. I'm trying to daisy chain an alternative and could use some help!
At the location I can get decent LTE coverage from Verizon. They also offer an "unlimited' plan that drops your speed 4.8Mbps after 15Gigs. Not ideal, but still tolerable.
What'd I'd like to do is this:
In theory it sounds straight-forward, but with only a USB out, how do I properly link the JetPack to the base router of the mesh system?
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This is what I recommend, one of the Unifi AC Mesh's. It's made for the outdoors. $88 on amazon.
I recently redid my stuff and while I ended up not getting one of these and just two indoor AC Pro's I did the research and was very close to pulling the trigger. In the end I was able to get the outdoor coverage I needed from positioning of my indoor AC Pros.
I’m living in an executive so slightly bigger than you. I got myself a Orbi RBK50. So it’s not exactly mesh but more of a hub and spoke model and it’s great. Full bars everywhere!
https://smile.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Ultra-Performance-Whole-System/dp/B01K4CZOBS
Just had to go to Mustafa to get 2 cheap travel adapters for the US plugs and good to go.
https://www.amazon.com/Google-Wifi-system-set-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294
Google's mesh WiFi system is pretty legit, I just put one in because I have two floors and plaster walls. Check the Amazon reviews, it's a highly rated item on there. Good luck with your interwebs.
I went with google wifi. It was plug and play and immediately alleviated the annoyance around the numerous streaming services that rule my life.
My neighbor has the meshforce and is similarly pleased with it.
You could do 3 sets of these to throw data around the park, for 6 units total. 3 would be mounted on your main building:
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-Dedicated-Management-NS-5ACL-US/dp/B078NN1J4K
Then 4 of these, 1 in the main building, 3 in the corners of the park:
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY
If you still have dead spots to fill in, you would add in more Unifi Mesh AP's, and use the wireless uplink mode. If you do that I'd suggest swapping in a Mesh Pro to improve capacity for that cell.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-PRO-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N1VMBUR
The idea is to avoid using the Unifi wireless uplink mode as it cuts down the capacity of that cell. Uplinking multiple times really hurts a lot, especially with many hungry clients. Start with a solid foundation, and stretch out the installation only where necessary.
I'd top it all off with a USG and a cheap 8 port switch
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-Security-Gateway-USG/dp/B00LV8YZLK
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Ethernet-Optimization-Unmanaged-TL-SG108/dp/B00A121WN6
You'll also want a cloudkey to manage the Unifi computers, or consider loading the controller software on a PC. And don't forget to buy 6 gigabit 24v PoE injectors for the nanostations, or 3 of these and a 4 port 24v gigabit midspan injector:
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-POE-24-0-5A-Gigabit-Port/dp/B00NAENDX4
I have a 120 year old house and wireless signals off all kinds have issues in this place. When I started putting more and more Echoes in the house, them dropping out was a big issue. I finally broke down and got a TP-Link Deco mesh WiFi system and those problems are a thing of the past. Something for you to consider.
They make specific ones for in wall installation Ubiquiti Networks Networks Networks UniFi AP AC In Wall https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XZLP8Q6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_aH4SDbZZ6J46T
I think it creates a home mesh like google wifi, except you pay 29aed monthly per room/device to rent the hardware.
So thats 696aed~$189 for 2 years for one room, 2088aed~$569 for 3 rooms. Compare that to the cost of google wifi which is $117 for 1 or $259 for 3.
I would not suggest using a bunch of consumer routers for such a situation. Instead, use some dedicated hardware. Depending on how technical you are, you might be better off hiring this work out, but if I were in your shoes, I'd be looking at either a gaggle of Ubiquiti's UAP-AC-Lite WAPs, their UAP-AC-IW, or a combination, depending on where they'd need to be installed.
They are controlled via Ubiquiti's free UniFi Controller software, which can be run via their Cloud Key, on a RasPi 2 or 3, or a Windows / Linux / OSX system. You can also configure basic settings through the iOS or Android apps if you don't wish to use their Controller software. With the UniFi Controller software, all settings for all access points are in one UI. You can easily add / remove WAPs as needed.
They are PoE powered, so you don't have to have power run to whichever locations you decide to install them (a limitation you will have with a bunch of consumer routers), and they come with the PoE injector needed. You can also power them from a PoE switch, but be aware that the UAP-AC-Lite doesn't use 802.1at/af PoE specs -- it uses a 24v passive PoE, and there aren't many switches (that I'm aware of) that support it. If you go this route, you might look at the UAP-AC-Pro, which won't have this issue, but is a bit more expensive. :)
You're building a new house, with a brand new network -- don't cheap out on this part, as it'll only bring you misery in the end (especially if you have a WAF to deal with). :D
If price/budget is a big factor. These might be a good option for you guys, they scale quite nicely and are cheap compared to most other scaled out access point systems.
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-LR-3-UniFi-Enterprise-System/dp/B005SHQ644/ref=pd_cp_pc_2
Well what you need depends on what you have, and where you want to go.
If I was doing this from scratch, assuming there's 30ish users and maybe 100mbit of internet with no need for an ultra high speed VPN
I'd probably get a [Netgate APU4 router[(http://store.netgate.com/APU4.aspx), a Netgear GS752TP 48 port powered smart switch, and some Ubiquiti 802.11ac access points. Note if you don't need 802.11ac, Ubiquiti's UAP-PRO will save you about $80 over the 802.11ac version.
Some may not love the idea of Netgear switches and may recommend something higher end IE HP ProCurve or Cisco. I suggest avoid Cisco if possible for switches as they are very expensive and harder to configure, although in a 100% Cisco environment that can be useful. HP ProCurve are nice, but Netgear gives you lots of bang for your buck... just upgrade your switch firmware first. Netgear's management interface for VLANs isn't as nice as HPs, but their switches are very cost effective and I've not had a problem with them.
The switch I spec'd supports 802.3af (PoE) on all ports, so it can power gadgets like access points, VoIP phones, and security cameras. The first 8 ports also have 802.3at (PoE+), a higher power PoE needed for the 802.11ac access points. Having all your ports powered gives you the flexibility to upgrade to VoIP later on and add PoE security cameras etc etc, but you can save a couple hundred by using a non-powered main switch with a smaller powered switch to just drive the APs. Personally I don't think that's worth it though as the savings aren't that much and you lose a lot of flexibility.
I'd wire this all up and setup some VLANs. Note that some Netgear switches make default VLANs 2 and 3, so don't use those numbers unless you're using the Netgear AutoVOIP thing (which can be useful in some scenarios, it automatically puts VoIP phones on a separate VLAN, but annoying when you don't want it).
For your VLANs- I suggest setup one VLAN as a guest network, one VLAN as a main network (for work to get one), and optionally one VLAN as a management network (management interfaces only exposed to that, increases security at cost of slightly increased complexity). If you run VoIP phones, they may want their own VLAN also.
Hope that's at least a little bit useful...
What are you currently using for wi-fi?
If I was to upgrade I would probably look at an Airport Extreme or Ubiquiti UAP-PRO
Both around the same price.
EDIT: (moved to top): looks like a lot of folks aren't seeing this coupon, and it might be targeted. Sorry about that. Not quite an r/buildapcsales deal otherwise.
Lowest price on Triple Camel = $320.
This is similar to the RBK50, but gives up some backhaul throughput (AC2200 vs. AC3000) for a voice-enabled Harmon Kardon smart speaker with very nice specs (supposedly better than Echo Show, possibly close to Sonos, according to KitGuru review - 9.0/10.0).
EDIT: Probably targeted, as it only works for some people, sorry!
I'm running the following setup on Optimum and I like it.
Modem
Arris SB6183-RB
Optimum can provide you a list of compatible modems if you want a different one. When you buy a modem you need customer service to register the MAC address of the modem to your account for your internet service to work. You can do this over the phone (I'm 99% sure you can).
Router
Netgear Orbi RBK50
The Orbi is a no bullshit, easy to set up, whole home mesh network. I have the base router setup next to my modem at one end of the house and I have the satellite setup in the middle of the house. It covers my entire 2,200 sq ft house (basement, first and second floors).
Google wi-fi is another option for a mesh router system that is cheaper.
If you don't need the coverage of mesh systems, there are a million different options you can choose. I'd go from this list: https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-wi-fi-router/
AmpliFi HD (High-Density) Home Wi-Fi System
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_hX3KAbJ7AA2K6
This router covers my garage and 1600 sqft house in 5ghz at 90-85% signal strength.
I'm not really sure what you mean by lackluster. My AC Pros have all been wonderful and perfectly stable. Looking at my Unifi controller, I have pushed 1.57 TB of data through one of them just this week alone. I do have a high degree of control over the wireless network through the Unifi controller. Also in Unifi, there is really granular visibility about clients, interference, stats, etc...I have tried using various consumer grade wireless routers I have and put them into AP mode and my Ubiquiti AP's blow them out of the water in regards to stability, performance, and range.
If you are looking to have consumer grade ease of use with Ubiquiti, you will want to go with the Unifi product line and not get the EdgeRouter. So instead of the EdgeRouter, you would get the USG for $110. They are the same hardware, but the USG runs a different firmware than the EdgeRouter. You dont HAVE to use all unifi products...but if you use only unifi AP's only the AP's can be configured from Unifi, and the EdgeRouter can be configured via EdgeOS in the WebUI. Unifi...well...unifies everything in the same UI.
Take a look at this vid explaining the difference between EdgeRouter and USG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvWOx3PvYFM
Adding 2 AP's for $80 (Lite) to $130 (Pro) for a total of $270-370...
Within that range is another option, the AmpliFi HD (By Ubiquiti as well) for $325:
https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-High-Density-Home-Wi-Fi-System/dp/B01L9O08PW
You also can get single mesh points for coverage to be used with your existing router, for $125 each.
I have not tried these myself...but with how dead simple they seem to be from YouTube vids...I am feeling pretty comfortable dropping this in my parents network and not having to worry about stability. There are tons of YouTube videos explaining the Amplifi product, pros and cons. It is really consumer friendly and the mesh technology is very flexible and you can change its physical configuration easily.
What's the best wifi repeater out there?
I read about Google Wifi Mesh, but not sure if there are others that definitely better and cheaper?
You can save an awful lot of money by not paying for your ISP to set up your Wifi. Buy your own Wifi router, configure it yourself, and only pay for Cox's internet.
Get your own Modem if you can, too.
For the modem, you might want to get something like this if you're paying for less than 300Mbp/s (and there is ZERO point in paying for more if you're only connecting wirelessly) or this if you're paying for gigabit and have hardwired ethernet devices.
For the router, if you're living in an apartment or small house where you only need one Wifi access point, something like this should work great, since it has an easy setup app available. If you're in a bigger space (e.g. multi-story or 3+ bedroom house), you might consider this or this, since both are designed for easy setup.
If you go with the 300Mbps plan from Cox, at $80 a month, even with the big space and $300 Mesh Wifi routers, you'd be saving money after six months. It's even faster if you only need a smaller space or are willing to drop to a slower internet speed (I seriously doubt you'll notice anything faster than 100Mbps, which is $60/mo, and if it's just 1-2 and you don't watch Netflix at 4k, even 30Mbps at $40/mo is likely sufficient). Likely, you'll still have to call Cox and complain to them every 12 months or so to get the "promotional" pricing... threaten to quit every time they try to raise your prices and the like.
Setting it all up will involve telling Cox you're putting in the new equipment, and returning the old equipment. I suggest doing this all in-store. If you call, they're likely to insist on a "professional installation" which gets crazy expensive, especially since they don't really need to go to your place to do anything... they just need to flip a switch on their backend (in the Cox offices) to accept the MAC address of your new modem instead of the old one... and if you already own your own modem, they don't even need to do that much (since you wouldn't need to switch it out).
Setting up your own Wifi isn't complicated. Plenty of tutorials all over Google if you need them. Cox charging to install wifi and modems is a scam based entirely on people not realizing how easy it can be.
Source: Being a Senior-Level Computer Networking Professional.
(Now, a Lady like me could do it cheaper / better than what I suggest here, but it would require a bit more expertise)
On sale at Amazon in the US right now. Not sure if same price elsewhere.
https://www.amazon.com/Google-Wifi-system-set-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294/ref=zg_bs_300189_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3HCN0NB4NEMW9WZN6YR3
Noticed it is the best selling router on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-Routers/zgbs/pc/300189
Pre-ordered ours and love them. Replaced out AirPort Extremes when the news came down that Apple was ending development.
"Why is Apple abandoning the AirPort Extreme, AirPort Express and AirPort Time Capsule?"
http://www.cio.com/article/3143606/consumer-electronics/why-is-apple-abandoning-the-airport-extreme-airport-express-and-airport-time-capsule.html
Last update was 7.7.8 late last year and guess that is it.
Might try looking into wifi extenders or PoE access points (personally recommend Ubiquiti). There's also the Google WiFi system, which offers great performance at a cheaper price than Orbi.
Looks like I may have found the answer. See below Q&A from Amazon.com. The answer was provided by someone designated as the "Manufacturer"
Question: Some of the pictures show a single cord going to the router. Does that mean it accepts power over ethernet, or are these wifi->wifi extenders?
Answer: Google Wifi is a "mesh" Wi-Fi system, they are not extenders for your existing router. The first Wifi point plugs into your modem with an Ethernet cord, and plugs in to power. Others plug in to regular power outlets in your home. They connect wirelessly to one another to create a single Wi-Fi network within your home. If you have Ethernet ports throughout your house, you can also hardwire each point. If you hardwire the units, you will still get a single Wi-Fi network throughout your house and the points will use Ethernet for connectivity between each other.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MAW2294/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1#Ask
Yes you can get the router, modem, telephone combo but you should get rid of the repeaters as this will always cause problems for you in such a big house, instead go ahead and use a mesh system Google WiFi which I recommend as it's the best in terms of reliablity and support. You can get one of these which can cover 2 levels easily with just one mesh device for 99$ on amazon. It's what I use at home now for my network and along with my own purchased router, modem combo (I don't use land line)
Another minor plus with Fioptics is you don't need a modem. So you can invest in a nice router and waive the modem rental fee. I purchased the Google Wifi system and it works great.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDJ0HVG/ref=twister_B01N1GKN9X?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
There's probably much better routers for the money but I'm a sucker for Google products.
A pair of these will work just fine
Ubiquiti UAP-AC-M-US Unifi Mesh Access Point https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N9FIELY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_1LVnDbJYEFCRP
Turn off the wireless radio on your router and buy [this] (https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-Dual-Radio-UAP-AC-PRO-US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1501096252&sr=8-2&keywords=unifi+ac).
I'd place it in the middle of the second floor and it should cover the whole house.
For outside: [here] (https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501096437&sr=8-1&keywords=unifi+outdoor)
Sysadmin here. Some specifics.
Ubiquiti's UAP-AC-M (the M means mesh) sells for $86 On Amazon.
Using the "xfinitywifi hotspot" (whatever the fuck that is) seems like a worse idea, than just running a single network cable outside carefully, and attaching one of those UAP-AC-M's to the side of the house. With another one nearer yours, of course, so you can run a cable from that. Or just use the nearer and properly amplified wifi signal of course.
In fact, this has the added bonus, that you can add an isolated, speed-restricted guest wifi to the setup, so other neighbours can browse on their laptops while in the yard, if you're so altruistically inclined.
2x Nanostations AC Loco 5 GHz for point to point...
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-Dedicated-Management-NS-5ACL-US/dp/B078NN1J4K/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1525570693&sr=8-8&keywords=Ubiquiti+NanoStation+AC+Loco
Then something outdoor rated like a UAP AC Mesh but using the wired connection to the nanostations..
https://amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1525570717&sr=8-1&keywords=uap+mesh
was hoping for a mesh wifi deal. Googles single unit is on "sale" for 89, but my place is right at 1500sqft and the main hookup isn't centralized.
Althought, while not a 'prime deal' this TP Link has a 20% off coupon. Or it did (or maybe it can't decide between 20% and $20).
edit: as of 9:25ish EDT the two pack is on lightening deal for 100 and the single is 50.
I'll second the TP-Link Deco M5. I bought these on the recommendation of some IT friends and I love them. I can't fully express how simple the setup and deployment of these things were. I've had them for about 5 months and I haven't had any problems. They also give me a report each month of usage. There seems to be some really great family internet usage options, but since I don't have kids, I really never dug into them.
It’s already pretty well discounted. Current price on Amazon for one eero plus two beacons over $90 off.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0713ZCT4N/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_7qoeAbFGAD5TA
This one is the actual Ubiquiti 3box set, which is cheaper.
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-LR-3-UniFi-Enterprise-System/dp/B005SHQ644/ref=pd_sim_sbs_indust_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1DWD6E8A645EM4K22FCM
We currently sell both units. The Meraki's are basically the same thing with a web portal that is accessible from anywhere whereas the UniFi stuff has to run on your own server (or rent a VPS, etc)
Both units set up easily, both program easily, the UniFi units are SO much cheaper than the Meraki's, especially considering yearly licensing. Stick with either the long range ones or the Pro's (pro's are better). Avoid the Lite access points as they have kind of crappy range, and the Long Range ones aren't expensive at all
The Unifi AP you listed doesn't do 802.11ac, just 802.11n. Think you'd need to be looking at this one instead.
Though your answer has been solved. I'll tell you exactly what it is.
It's a Ubiquiti UniFi AC Enterprise Wireless Access point.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-UniFi-Enterprise-System/dp/B00D80J2XU
They are pretty awesome. This one allows 2.4ghz and 5ghz signals. Have a good range and are pretty solid.
I use these in my work hallways. They cover all 3 floors from the top floor and about 50 feet out in the parking lot.
If I was to do it right with a few hundred to sink in, it would look something like this:
There it is, very expensive and very future proof set up. Maybe someone else can post their thoughts and recommendations :)
Zero handoff is s tricky thing, if I were you I would look into Unifi AP's.
Edit: It's a bit expensive, http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/32153-ubiquiti-uap-ac-access-point-reviewed
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-UniFi-Enterprise-System/dp/B00D80J2XU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406689196&sr=8-1&keywords=unifi+uap-ac
you're the man.
So Modem to this > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CPRVF5K
Then from the router to > http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-SG108E-8-Port-Gigabit-Tag-Based/dp/B00K4DS5KU/
One port on that switch to an AP right next to it
another port on that switch to the wire going upstairs hooked up to the other AP.
The AP's I'm looking to get. http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-UniFi-Enterprise-System/dp/B00D80J2XU
let me know how that setup looks. let me know if you think I should go for cat6 cable or whatever. at this point that'd just be a drop in the bucket. Last thing to note. This small home network has a ton of wireless devices. chromecasts out the ass, evryone has a mobile phone and tablet, and laptop. Talking like 40-50 devices going to be on the network. think the router will handle that or should I upgrade it.
I assume this is the one you're talking about? Those are the old model UAP-Pro rather than UAP-AC-Pro, and they're a 3pk instead of a 5pk. They do have the UAP-AC-Pro 5pk for $650 though.
Here's a question - do you have absolutely no requirement for wired connectivity to any devices other than the APs? In another comment I suggested just getting the ERLite model - it's around $100 and will serve the purpose you need.
From there you can break out with either their PoE switch, or another vendor's switch (if you go this route - be warned - the non-pro APs are not standards-compliant with their PoE implementation and probably will not work), PoE or otherwise. Since the APs come with power injectors you don't NEED to have PoE, but it eliminates a point of failure when doing troubleshooting.
For the APs, 2 will definitely not be enough. I would suggest either...
For example, an ideal layout in the 2.4 GHz spectrum might be...
Floor 4: AP - Channel 1 - AP - Channel 6 - AP - Channel 11
Floor 3: AP - Channel 11 - AP Channel 1 - AP Channel 6
Floor 2: AP - Channel 6 - AP Channel 11 - AP Channel 1
Floor 1: AP - Channel 1 - AP Channel 6 - AP Channel 11
If you cut it down to two APs per floor, obviously you can be a little more creative...
Floor 4: - AP Channel 1 - AP Channel 6
Floor 3: - AP Channel 11 - AP Channel 1
Floor 2: - AP Channel 6 - AP Channel 11
Floor 1: - AP Channel 1 - AP Channel 6
You can leave them all to auto and it might work okay, but control over the selection would be best practice.
However, the regular AP is $199 for a 3-pack:
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-UniFi-Enterprise-System/dp/B005EORRBW/
The PRO is $629 for 3:
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-Enterprise-System-UAP-PRO-3/dp/B00DJERLFG/
The original network was 3 AP's and an Edge router, built for 30 people. We hired ~60 people over a few months so we just keep tacking on AP's per 20 employees and it works awesome. The entire network could be done with PRO/AC but there's no reason to as it works flawlessly and we don't need any of the features that they offer (with just a regular AP we get roughly 1/4 mile of strength.... I'm having a tough time imagining just how far the 'LR' range goes).
I'll third this. If you've got the budget, go for the Pro series 3-pack.
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-Enterprise-System-UAP-PRO-3/dp/B00DJERLFG/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1404403274&sr=1-2&keywords=unifi+ap+pro
If you don't have the budget, you can go with the lower-end units that don't support 802.3af/at (but they include their own PoE-type adapters).
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-UniFi-Enterprise-System/dp/B005EORRBW/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1404403177&sr=1-4&keywords=ubiquiti
[Router] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0144R449W/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1493926668&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=ubiquiti+router&dpPl=1&dpID=41snmRQ4yRL&ref=plSrch)
[Access Point] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HXT8S9G/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1493926756&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=ubiquiti+access+point&dpPl=1&dpID=31ZYZ9bvX-L&ref=plSrch)
No more lag on wireless connection
You could try powerline ethernet adapter like this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AWRUICG/
If the plug where your room is and the plug where the router is are in the same circuit, it should work great, if not it may be hit or miss.
Other than that you next best bet is to try to improve your wifi with a better access point.
Something like this will be better than most ISP provided routers
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002YETVXC/
Or something like this should really cover a lot of area
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HXT8S9G/
Wired connections are always more secure and receive the strongest, most consistent signal.
That said, I'd recommend getting a Ubiquity AP. For the money, it's a great solution. If you want to put out more money, get a powerful wifi router like a Nighthawk.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398080,00.asp
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Enterprise-System-AP-Pro-UAP-PRO/dp/B00HXT8T5O/ref=sr_1_14?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1468531893&sr=1-14&keywords=Ubiquiti
How many square feet is your house? Do you have plaster walls, by chance?
I am running an ER-X-SFP (Ubiquiti) with HWNAT Offload enabled, and an UAP-AC-PRO for wireless.
You can get both of these for <$100 each if you find them "Used" on Amazon. They work well in this setup. HMU if you need config examples.
EDIT:
[UAP-AC-PRO Amazon] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00HXT8T5O/ref=olp_f_new?ie=UTF8&amp;f_new=true)
[ER-X-SFP Amazon] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B012X45WH6/ref=olp_f_new?ie=UTF8&amp;f_new=true)
Great, thanks man :)
Well, I'm doing something like http://www.amazon.com/eero-Home-WiFi-System-Pack/dp/B00XEW3YD6/ as a prototype for a company with raspberry pis :)
This is the best all around router for most home users:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BUSDVBQ/
If your house is more then 3000 sqft or you live in an area with a lot of wi-fi interference, I would recommend going with a mesh networking system like the eero:
https://www.amazon.com/eero-Home-WiFi-System-Pack/dp/B00XEW3YD6/
Amazon sell brand new pack of 3 $299
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00XEW3YD6/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499667152&amp;sr=8-5&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&amp;keywords=eero+beacon&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=21Va9hFTJKL&amp;ref=plSrch
Recently got this for my parent's house. It works great. Max speed on wifi all through out the house now. It doesn't cut down speed like other repeaters because it has a dedicated backbone.
https://smile.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Whole-System-Tri-band/dp/B01K4CZOBS?sa-no-redirect=1
I'm seeing $429.99 -> $317.07 (sale) -> 253.66 (20% off coupon).So I'm assuming the $231 price is after the $22 promo credit (if you use the app).FYI, the non-smart-speaker version here also gets the 20% off coupon, for $235 (before promo credit). I got one of these a few months back and it's working well so far.
I ended up going with a refurbished Netgear Orbi RBR53 wireless mesh system. I’m not recommending this unless you truly need it. It’s overkill for most applications but my coverage was terrible and I found a fantastic deal. I didn’t really have many options to get wired connections in my bedroom so I did this.
Edit: clarification and links
You really need to use access points wired back to your main router with proper Ethernet or at least MoCA. That is the only thing that will give you the speeds your desire reliably.
Sorry I'm not entirely sure what this means, I'm fairly technical so maybe just a more general explanation. I'm more than happy to get the Orbi.
Is this what you recommend to get? Will I need to get anything else?
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Whole-System-Tri-band/dp/B01K4CZOBS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1523849870&amp;sr=8-3&amp;keywords=orbi%2BRBK50&amp;th=1
I had similar issue, I tried powerline adapters but speeds were lot less than full
Speed of my internet connection. I used a mesh network in end. Here is an article explaining
https://www.linksys.com/us/r/resource-center/whole-home-mesh-wifi/
I used this one https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Ultra-Performance-Whole-System/dp/B01K4CZOBS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1549711221&amp;sr=8-1&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&amp;keywords=orbi+wifi+system&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=31ZWyXmx3YL&amp;ref=plSrch
Though there are cheaper alternatives.
Also did you try using a different channel on your router from default setting as that sometimes can help with noise on and interference with other routers in the area.
So you could have:
Standard router plugged into a device that shoots a wireless signal to a matching device on a dedicated link (that'd be the wireless bridge in the setup; here's an example, I'm sure you could find cheaper options by looking around but that's a good brand) and you could plug whatever into that matching device.
Router>Radio (point-to-point link) Radio>Whatever you're plugging in.
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That's only beneficial if you NEED a wired connection at the other end. If you can connect stuff wirelessly and just want good coverage I'd say to look into a meshed router system (again, a quick example of a good brand, but you could probably find cheaper). That lets you have multiple routers to re-broadcast the signal, but they use a separate, 'extra' wireless channel to talk to each other so that you don't get the same loss that you would with an extender (like the one you linked to).
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Source: I work for a WISP.
2-pack
https://www.amazon.com//dp/B01K4CZOBS
3-pack is $75 off June 2017:
https://www.costco.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-AC3000-Tri-band-Wi-Fi-System.product.100318832.html
Performance wise, Netgear Orbi. The only thing I see it do on my PiHole is ping netgear.com, presumably for automatic updates. It does have some Disney parental controls software that’s opt-in, which is annoying to see. Can’t think of anything else that is good. Make sure you get the full sized router/extenders (RBK50) and not the mini versions, as they don’t have the dedicated backhaul.
Link related:
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Ultra-Performance-Whole-System/dp/B01K4CZOBS?th=1&amp;psc=1
As I mentioned you can get an additional router they feeds off the first one so it will also be upstairs. Or you can run a cord through the floor / ceiling or a window.
NETGEAR Orbi Ultra-Performance Whole Home Mesh WiFi System - fastest WiFi router and single satellite extender with speeds up to 3 Gbps over 5,000 sq. feet, AC3000 (RBK50) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K4CZOBS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_B5zaCb0SWHDHP
Looks like orbi is your best option. Get the 2 router AC3000 option. A little pricier than google WiFi, but it looks like a serious upgrade in bandwidth size.
NETGEAR Orbi Home Mesh WiFi System (RBK50) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K4CZOBS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_f.zQBbSRN6EBJ
So there's a few options, but there's not really a simple/cheap solution that I know of. The first is to deal with slow wifi and maybe use LTE when it gets real bad. The second is to move the router somewhere. Like run a cat6 cable somewhere more central and put the router there. You'll get better wifi everywhere that way - but if you take away the hard line to your gaming setups you'll lose speed there.
There's a thing called a wifi extender - I tried one once and thought it was basically useless. I'd avoid that.
If you're willing to spend some money, it sounds like there's a thing called "wireless mesh." If I'm honest, I don't know everything about them, but I think you can get some good results from them if you're willing to spend some money. I don't claim that any of these are great, but I've considered them in the past - and would be considering them now if I hadn't just bought a car...
amazon/netgear orbi
netgear site
Nothing handy (I'm at work). I have an open shelf above a closet in my living room where I installed a 4-gang box with ac, speaker connectors, keystone and a pass-through for the ethernet cables. I installed this tiny patch panel vertically to the left of the gang-box. I color coded keystones from each room to the patch panel, and used the keystones in the gang box for cable, HDMI, IR, subwoofer connection and have my cable box, receiver, cable modem, router, and switch all up there.
I have google wifi, with ethernet backhaul, but from everything I've read (I've spent a few hours reading reviews on eero, google wifi, and amplifi) two Amplifi HD routers will give you a killer system, and that is what i'll do if I ever ditch google wifi.
The reason to buy two routers is the system's mesh points are wireless only (and if you already have ethernet cable ran then why do that?) but you can easily hardwire two of the HD routers together and set the second as a wired (or wireless) mesh point. This has been a supported feature for at least two years per this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/AmpliFi/comments/6auf3m/2_amplifi_hd_routers/
If you want to save money and get a slightly less feature-rich setup you can also hardwire two of their Amplifi Instant routers together.
man, thats a tough one.
In general "range extenders" are crap. They dont help at all with transmit, and make it look like you have a passable signal, that doesnt actually work that well at all.
Its gonna get pricey. id run one AP per floor in the center hall/stairwell. UAP-AC-LR's are the right choice for you
If you have a good idea that the wiring in the house is good (good neutrals throughout, circuit layout well connected, no cloth wiring, etc), there are some passable powerline mesh solutions, I like the amplifi line
https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-High-Density-Home-Wi-Fi-System/dp/B01L9O08PW
I used to have a lot of trouble. Then I got a Google Mesh and put one of the wifi extenders 5 feet from the Peloton. Haven't had a problem since.
Here's a link if you're interested.
I’m not going to downvote you. But you should get a dual band router since he is in a populated city. Multi hundred dollar routers are not worth it for a single router. It’s not going to be any better than a cheap single router.
Buy this:
NETGEAR Cable Modem CM500 - Compatible with all Cable Providers including Xfinity by Comcast, Spectrum, Cox | For Cable Plans Up to 300 Mbps | DOCSIS 3.0 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XH46MWW/
Return the original one and stop paying the rental fee.
Buy this:
TP-Link AC1750 Smart WiFi Router - Dual Band Gigabit Wireless Internet Router (Archer A7) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079JD7F7G/
If house is big, you have poor WiFi in part of your house, buy this instead of TPLink router:
Google WiFi system, 3-Pack - Router replacement for whole home coverage (NLS-1304-25) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MAW2294/
https://www.amazon.com/Google-Wifi-system-set-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1524984253&amp;sr=1-1&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=31rlzhTFq4L&amp;ref=plSrch
Something like this might work for yea?
Few of these systems out there and people seem to love em.
Is your new house bigger? Might not have as good wifi coverage.
For a whole home coverage check into eero, orbi or even looks like google has just made a system as well https://www.amazon.com/Google-Wifi-system-set-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294/ref=pd_sim_147_24?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_i=B01MAW2294&amp;pd_rd_r=15Q8VCB0MY4KTBRGMFD0&amp;pd_rd_w=YQXJH&amp;pd_rd_wg=nA2eq&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=15Q8VCB0MY4KTBRGMFD0
ESS is an extended service set. It is built into the 802.11 WiFi standard. Basically it allows you to connect more than one router wirelessly and use the same SSID. Then clients would seamlessly associate with whichever access point had the stronger signal. The extender won't make the problem worse but it has to be setup properly. If an extender is on the same channel as your main wifi it will make things worse, as long as you use non overlapping channels (1,6,or 11 for 2.4ghz) and only have a 10-15% overlap of signal it works perfectly.
I worded my response confusingly since I was in a rush. You can take almost any old router and turn it into a repeater via the firmware. So I was suggesting rather than going out and buying a new equipment he can re purpose an old router and extend the signal to the problem area of his house without the time or expense of running wires across the house. A wired connection would be superior but it is also a lot more time consuming to physically run a wire, especially if going through walls. From my experience routers tend to work much better...repeaters and devices that are only access points in the consumer space tend to be poor quality and lack any customization.
All that being said I was basing my answer on what will work for the least amount of money. If you don't have an old router you can re purpose then your choices are power line, buying a repeater/extender, or if money is less of an object then get this google mesh solution and your wireless can be scaled to cover wherever you want.
https://www.amazon.com/Google-Wifi-system-set-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1498103371&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=wireless+mesh
I dont know a ton about powerline adapter setups like others have mentioned... But what is a new thing is WiFi Systems, where you have multiple access points that go through the same network. I have the Google Wifi 3 point mesh system on sale at amason there are two Ethernet ports on each box, except for the one that will be in use to connect to your modem. So the potential to hardwire in multiple rooms. And it's been very reliable wifi performance
This TP-Link was rater "Best router for most people." It will handle your internet speeds, is dual band, and has some of the best range and features in its price range. It's a pretty standard recommendation on r/homenetworking too.
You could also go for a mesh system like Google Wifi. It's a little more expensive, but its designed to be very simple and work for large areas, like multiple floors. Depends on your budget though.
> In other words, is 2 routers possible?
Actually what you want to do is run cables to key points (your TV, your office, etc) and then set up a WiFi mesh network.
For best performance each mesh point should be connected by cable back to the main mesh point (which also functions as a router) but they will also talk to each other over WiFi if necessary.
For consumer use Google's mesh system is generally considered to be the best. Each Google mesh point has two gigabit ethernet ports so you're going to need a basic switch by the main mesh point to connect everything together.
Note: Don't mistake mesh for using WiFi extenders. Extenders suck ass compared to mesh. Mesh is transparent to your devices and makes it seem like your entire home is covered by one single network, much like with cellular systems. WiFi extenders create separate networks within your house and can cause all sorts of problems as your device tries to figure out which extender to connect to. It's a mess. Mesh is awesome.
Look into investing in your own modem and mesh wifi if you rent from your provider.
If it's xfinity you use, the Arris Surfboard will be compatible. Take a look at Google WiFi for your mesh wifi network. They also sell them in packs of 4 at Costco, sometimes on sale.
I've done it before with the litebeams mentioned above and those work great. I also did this recently with one of these also
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY/
and it was dead simple and also kept everything in the unifi controller. I mounted the mesh on the first building and I was going ~100 feet and was able to mesh with a AC lite inside without a second mesh outside. It would probably depend on what material the second building was made of as well but worst case you would need a second ac mesh on the second building.
This is the wrong way to think about it. You shouldn't be thinking "how good a router do I need to cover 5000 square feet?". You should be thinking "How many access points do I need to cover 5000 square feet, and where should I put them?".
In your case, the best solution is two access points inside the house, one on the first floor and one on the third. These are the APs to get. Mount them on the ceiling at the center of the desired coverage area. If you need more coverage for the lawn and patio, put one of these on the outside of the house facing the lawn and patio.
All the APs will need to be connected to a switch with Ethernet, and this switch will, in turn, need to be connected to your router. The APs are powered by PoE, but they include PoE injectors so you don't need a PoE switch. Something like this will be fine.
This is the router you'll want. Simply connect the WAN port to the ONT and the LAN port to your switch. It doesn't have its own Wi-Fi, so its placement is irrelevant.
Also, since you'll need to run Ethernet to the APs anyway, you should also wire up any devices that support Ethernet and stay put. Desktop PCs, game consoles, smart TVs, streaming media players, even printers should all use Ethernet instead of Wi-Fi if possible.
There are also a couple of FiOS-specific things to keep in mind. To use a non-Verizon router at all, it must be connected to the ONT with Ethernet, not Coax. If your current router is connected with Coax, you'll need to run the Ethernet cable yourself then call Verizon to switch the ONT to Ethernet. They do this remotely, so the whole call should take 10 minutes. If you only have internet you don't have anything else to worry about, but if you also have FiOS TV service you're not done yet. You'll need to get a MoCA adapter, connect the Coax cable that was connected to the Verizon router to its Coax In port, and connect its Ethernet port to your switch. Without it, the Guide and On Demand functions of your cable boxes won't work.
You can't reasonably get signals in and out of metal boxes.
Drill holes in side and run a cable to a roof mount antenna, point them all at a box with some servers and an upstream liink and some routers with decent horsepower.
New outdoor AP systems are getting super cheap and easy to set up. Don't waste company productivity and time on stuff that can't work.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY 5 pack is $440
I am a DLink hater, so my recommendation would be getting TP-Link Deco M5s. I installed a set of 3 at my in-law's house, which is big and also has walls that absolutely kill wifi signal, and they work great. Just make sure you place them in spots where the main router (the one connected to your modem) is delivering good throughput already. This is the set we bought for my in-laws.
i think amazon has you beat on the IW, https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-UAP-AC-Iw-Wireless-Access-x/dp/B06XZLP8Q6
are any of the switches PoE?
If you have a decent budget I would look at Ubiquiti unifi network stuff.
Here is a router, access point, and the controller that configures and monitors everything.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-USG-Security-UC-CK-UAP-AC-PRO/dp/B07C87SQ9W/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=1F33LBHXUCZ52&amp;keywords=unifi%2Bsecurity%2Bgateway&amp;qid=1550283380&amp;s=gateway&amp;sprefix=unifi%2B&amp;sr=8-1-spons&amp;psc=1&amp;th=1
Switch with power over Ethernet to power the access points
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-US-16-150W-UniFi-Switch/dp/B01E46ATQ0/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=unifi+switch&amp;qid=1550283561&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-4
In wall access points that you can place in strategic spots in your house if you want better coverage.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-UAP-AC-Iw-Wireless-Access/dp/B06XZLP8Q6/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=35O92BTS4KY1I&amp;keywords=unifi+in+wall+hd&amp;qid=1550283677&amp;s=gateway&amp;sprefix=unifi+in+&amp;sr=8-2
You can learn more here
unifi-sdn.ui.com
If you don't find a used one here, then you may try Amazon for a Renewed one. I saved $100 last December by doing this (looks to be slightly smaller savings since new pricing has come down since then). No issues with it at all, great coverage, and it had a 90-day warranty.
This is what I had purchased:
Netgear RBK50-100NAR Orbi Home Mesh Wi-Fi System (Renewed) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DD4KH5M/
>My home set up right now:
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>Voice control with google home and multiple google minis
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>Chromecast
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>Lutron Caseta In-wall dimmers
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>Nest thermostat
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>Some off brand wifi outlet plugs
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>Nest Hello
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>Smart lock, likely the Yale Assure SL (Not sure Z-wave vs Zigbee vs August)
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>Presence sensor/key FOB
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>Google Home hub
So you and I have very similar setups. I have 7x Google Homes, a Nest Hello, a Ecobee and some wired door sensors connected via Konnected.IO. A few random wifi devices too, like a Bond Fan Controller and a Yeelight.
I use this: Samsung SmartThings Wifi Mesh Router Range Extender SmartThings Hub Functionality Whole-Home WiFi Coverage - Zigbee, Z-Wave, Cloud to Cloud Protocols - White (3 Pack) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FCQ726C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_8-j6BbTHNCJVT
Works awesome. Mesh network that literally all of my devices connect to. I tell Google goodnight, it shuts off my living room fan, lights, kitchen lights, then notifies me if my front, back, or garage door is open. Is it as full featured as some of other hubs nah... But it works solid and was super easy to get going.
I'm a fan of Samsung Smart Things. Supports a lot of devices and protocols. They even have a home router(access point) 3-pack now where each access point acts as a hub or repeater.
Here's about everything I've considered when putting mine together:
I just bought a set of Samsung SmartThings Mesh WiFi. Does this work as a hub for Philips Hue bulbs and other items that require a hub?
If you aren't comfortable spending $200 more but still want the better radios, getting the pack with one eero and two Beacons might be the way to go. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0713ZCT4N/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_PXjVzbXH7SZXA
Plus, if you have an old networking device and a Best Buy around, you can recycle that there for an extra 15% discount.
Edit: another user mentioned that Best Buy matched the Amazon price on top of the 15%, so you could try that.
There is a photo of the back on amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Introducing-eero-mesh-WiFi-system-3-pack-/dp/B07WMLPSRL/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=eero&amp;qid=1569442780&amp;s=amazon-devices&amp;sr=1-1
Search for "Technical details"
https://www.amazon.com/eero-Home-WiFi-System-Beacon/dp/B0713ZCT4N/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=eero&qid=1571086246&sr=8-2
It's pricey (got it on prime day for 50% off), but it's amazing. Went form having to piss poor WiFi to it being perfect.
Like others said, the best thing to do is use ethernet. Just having one device on ethernet even might work. Most wifi routers can only talk to one device at a time and suffer a lot from packet collisions when you have multiple devices competing for air time. I would start with hard-wiring your PC (I'm assuming your PC card is weaker than Xbox's) to ethernet and go from there .
That said, changing to a mesh router may also help. They usually have stronger / multiple radios to talk between the base and satellite devices. You can place them in rooms where your PC and Xbox are to get a great wifi signal. I can stream 60 Mbps blu-rays onto my wifi Roku TV with the Plex server running on a laptop hard-wired into the satellite device in a room one floor above. I use this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0797D6853/ and the Netgear Orbi here works even better https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DD4KH5M
I believe they are talking about these.
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SmartThings-Extender-Functionality-Whole-Home/dp/B07FCQ726C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1538835340&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=smartthings+wifi
As a note I have those and they work extremely well. There are the best mesh routers I have tried yet, I had Plume Superpods before this and they were excellent also but Samsung is basically those but with SmartThings built in so I returned the superpods and for these. The Plume tech really does work well and the APs are zigbee and zwave repeaters/extenders also. Makes for an extremely solid backbone to all my equipment both normal WiFi and smart devices.
These are an easy recommendation from me anyway, they work great.
Thanks very much for the detailed reply. That is very helpful. The eeros mesh I am considering is this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WMLPSRL
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Do you think it would be ok? (Or should I spend a bit more and get the PRO version?)
I'm a little concerned about placement. Do these sit on a counter or something? Or can I attach them higher up to the wall? Or do they plug into the electrical plug near the floor?
Thanks for your response. I’ll update once I know what hub they’re offering.
May I ask what hub you went with next? I’m thinking about getting this Samsung SmartThings WiFi Mesh Router System. Seems like it would pair with everything I have... except the Genie Garage Door opener that came with the house.
Please clarify - users report that this Eero mesh system doesn't support an exclusive 2.4 GHz network https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WMLPSRL/
That's a big home for sure. I can imagine if the router is at the center, that you don't get good coverage on the far ends of the house.
Typically, combo modem/router setups are far less powerful than a dedicated device.
I think based on what you've explained, you would benefit from a mesh type router system like the Google Wi-Fi system or this TP-Link system.
You can easily do what you explained with multiple APs, but if you're not experienced with home networking, it can get complicated. From my understanding of the mesh systems (I don't currently have one), they work better than standard network extenders/repeaters and are much easier to setup.
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If you want to hardwire some devices, I'd just put the modem and main router setup as close to those devices as you can. If needed, you could get separate APs to plug those devices in via Ethernet but plugging the ethernet into the main router is best. Plugging it into another AP can only still provide as good of a connection to the internet as the Wi-Fi connection is at that APs location.
You can do this with the mesh systems too.
It has been decided that we can not run a cable so now the options are the mesh system and it appears there are some good options out there. Can you please help choose which model would best to go with for longevity of product, security if possible, and reliability?
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Looks like the Netgear Orbi RBK50 is on sale around $90 off, but only has two points?
LINK for Ultra Performance Orbi RBK50 (2 points) - would 2 points be enough?
LINK for NetGear Orbi RBK33 (3 points)
Deco M4 3-Pack
Deco M5 3-Pack
Google WiFi system, 3-Pack
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Budget is to $300 and under.
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So my Cox cable modem is also a router so I presume I would plug the main router into the modem router, disable the Cox network and only use the new network routing system? Or what would be the best configuration here?
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( I like the idea of having a guest network and putting any unsecure or unsure devices on the guest network, i would presume the guest network has same speed as the primary network right? )
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Thanks for your guys helps so far! Definitely appreciate it :)
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EDIT: Also want to make sure it works well with iOS devices since that will be the majority of devices connected.
I bought an EX7500 yesterday and it slowed down my speed but it is a lot better than your typical wifi extender.
It was $130 CAD. I then returned it for the Deco M4 3 piece mesh system that was onsale for $199 CAD. It is so much better. I can now get my full 150mbps connection anywhere in my house. My router is in the basement, so I disabled the wifi on it and plugged the first Deco unit into it, put the 2nd on on the main floor and the 3rd one on the top floor. Well worth the extra $70.
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If you're US, looks like it is onsale for $168.
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Deco-Whole-Home-System/dp/B07NF6V8SC/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=deco+m4&qid=1574438766&sr=8-2
Price History
https://www.amazon.com/eero-Pro-WiFi-System-eeros/dp/B071DWXLYL/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=eero+pro&qid=1563295220&s=gateway&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sr=8-3
An [eero and two beacons] (https://www.amazon.com/eero-Home-WiFi-System-Beacons/dp/B0713ZCT4N/) will probably do a great job for you (and the beacons make great hallway night-lights as well!), OR you can get the three eero bundle if you need to extend ethernet from the leaf nodes.
The source is my networking background. I have dealt with neat gear and they are all around a bad company with a bad product compared to other companies in this day & age.
Eero mesh routers costs $200 for the main brain (eero pro) and like $130-$150 for the auxiliary eeros (eero beacon)
The best solution for most is to hardwire 3 eero pros to a network switch coming off your modem and you will have perfect wifi throughout your whole home.
Amazon sells a 3 pack of eero’s for a great price.
eero Pro mesh WiFi system (1 Pro + 2 Beacons) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0713ZCT4N/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_4B7IDbWRKWW86
eero Pro mesh WiFi system - 3-Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071DWXLYL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_eC7IDb39JMENG
Yeah I'd put money on that being the source of your problem. The 2.4GHz spectrum is already crowded with so many things: Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, wireless devices like keyboards, mice, game controllers, etc. Add an entire household of devices and the poor network is going to be crying for mercy.
So you have a few choices going forward:
Edit: typos
I suggest going with a tri-band wifi mesh system if you want to maximize your connection speeds, which usually is a little more costly but can give you better speed/latency.
https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-wi-fi-mesh-networking-kits/
That's a decent place to look for some information. I don't always find their recommendations to be the best, but they usually do a pretty decent job of explaining various things they are reviewing and what to look for.
Google Wifi mesh doesn't score well in most of the reviews I've seen.
Eero Pro
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071DWXLYL
Netgear Orbi
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K4CZOBS
I listed the links to those last two because they are reviewed in The Wirecutter link above and you can see they test well, but they aren't in their top recommendations because of price mostly. Netgear Orbi does have some complaints about firmware as well. Those two above are all tri-band, while the ones that get the recommendations are in most cases a mix of tri-band and dual band devices.
As far as what ones offer a non-cloud management interface, I don't know on that front. Edit: From what I can tell, it looks like two of the recommendations they make, the D-Link Covr system, has a local web management interface as well as the Synology system. The Eero devices seem to be cloud based management, and I'm not sure on the Netgear Orbi but I believe I've set one of those up before locally.
This one: eero Pro mesh WiFi system - 3-Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071DWXLYL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_dq30Db3T26JRY
If you scroll further down that same page they show the RBS50 having a USB port:
https://i.imgur.com/MT7vqUr.png
The individual satellite doesn't show a USB port on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Ultra-Performance-Whole-Satellite-Extender/dp/B01LZG4KPC/
But the 2019 Renewed RBS50 included in the RBK50 bundle still does:
https://www.amazon.com/Netgear-Certified-Refurbished-Whole-System/dp/B07DD4KH5M
I wonder if that is the difference, bundled Satellite vs. Addon?
This will do the trick: https://smile.amazon.com/Netgear-Certified-Refurbished-Whole-System/dp/B07DD4KH5M/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=orbi&qid=1562791004&s=gateway&sr=8-8
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Here is a review if you'd like to learn more: https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-wi-fi-mesh-networking-kits/
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I have used both UniFi and Orbi extensively feel free to DM me with any questions.
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-ERPOE-5-EdgeRouter-Adapter/dp/B00E77N3WE
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XXMUCQ/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1535523722&amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;pf_rd_i=B00E77N3WE&amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_r=0MR4S94F29JD093071FH
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-LR-3-UniFi-Enterprise-System/dp/B005SHQ644/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1409677912&amp;sr=1-5&amp;keywords=ubiquiti+unifi
Is that the correct router? And which AP would you suggest?
We have this version, and it says Non-802.3af compliant. Sigh.
PFSense is a firewall and routing operating system, not a wireless platform. It supports wireless, but what you really want is to setup wireless access points, connect them to a switch, and connect the switch to the LAN port of the firewall. Ubiquiti's UniFi makes setting up wireless mesh networks simple and they're cheap.
http://www.ubnt.com/unifi
What you'll need:
A PFSense firewall and internet connection
Probably a 48 port switch. I'd recommend something gigabit, but if you're not worried about anything over 100 Megabit, this'll probably do for on the cheap: TRENDNet 48 port 10/100 Switch
A couple of these Wireless AP 3 packs
A windows computer to run the UniFi controller software
Presto! There you go. Your own wireless network that should support that many users. If you grow much more, get a faster, more powerful switch.
Canadian link
I'm from Canada so I think that's the same. Could you go into more detail about how to properly set this up? I haven't dealt with commercial grade networks before but this seems doable. Thanks for the help.
Edit: I'm looking at their webpage and I've watched a few tutorials, but I can't seem to come up with much in terms of equipment I need besides the AP and an Ethernet Switch (recommendations?). I think from what I've seen I'll need 3-6.
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Think this is pretty straightforward, it doesn't seem to say that I need to purchase anything besides the access points. The only issue now will be extended Ethernet cables throughout the warehouse.
There was an older model, their first AC unit. I was in error about the pro.
http://www.amazon.com/EdgeRouter-ERLite-3-512MB-Ethernet-Router/dp/B00CPRVF5K/
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-UniFi-Enterprise-System/dp/B00D80J2XU/ref=pd_tcs_compl_pc_5?ie=UTF8&amp;refRID=0J3RYZF06MM0H25MVRW6
http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-TS-8-PRO-ToughSwitch-Advanced-Controllers/dp/B00CXU1NHY/ref=pd_tcs_compl_pc_2?ie=UTF8&amp;refRID=0J3RYZF06MM0H25MVRW6
Those three combined do the trick? Extreme wireless range/bandwidth, PoE for the machines I want direct access to regardless of status (I have battery backups), and then the edge router that can handle the vpn aspect?
Others here may have more experience with Wi-Fi at retail locations, but I'm afraid all I can offer is experienced based on home and small office installations.
Any dual-band access point should work pretty well for you (that supports 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands). You can look for devices that support either 802.11ac or 802.11b/g/n. AC is newer and faster and is backwards compatible, but the devices often cost more. You'd want an AC device if you can afford it.
For a retail environment you'd probably want to use something like the Ubiquiti UniFi UAP Pro, the Ubiquiti UniFi AC. The Apple Airport Extreme would also be a decent choice, but they are more designed for home use.
You will also need to consider how many wireless clients you will have. In my experience, an Apple Airport Extreme can only handle 20-25 connected devices before it starts to have speed issues. The Ubiquiti hardware is a bit better, but I typically plan 1 wifi access point for every 30 estimated devices.
Make sure the access points are connected to a central switch by ethernet.
I setup the Unifi for my many clients at my work, and have a couple of "hand me downs" at my own home now, but I would have never purchased one for myself because if the prices.
Thought you were specifically mentioning this model.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00D80J2XU/ref=psd_mlt_nbc_B015PRO512_bi
Do you know if they / anyone sell the ones with Ethernet jacks as well?
I've seen those from ubiquiti but they don't seem to have the jacks. Like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HXT8S9G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_vCjmDb46VZSEN
There are a few options.
For a basic home wireless router we've been really happy with the Buffalo AirStation N300 devices. They come preinstalled with dd-wrt which has a lot of capability. So far these haven't let us down even once.
For customers needing more range, we really like Ubiquiti's UniFi UAP-LR devices. These things can push a hell of a signal and they're reliable. Downside is that they aren't routers, they are just access points, so you still need a router to do the actual traffic management. Upside is that the UniFi software has a "zero handoff" feature, which means if you do end up needing two or more of these devices to cover your house, then as long as they're both connected to the same wired LAN, they can seamlessly "hand off" the connection for your device from one access point to another as you move around. You can be on a Skype call on your phone and walk from one end of the house to the other with no lag or interruption.
We've had literally zero customer complaints with either of these setups.
All long range router are going to be directional to some extent. But you should get this one. Cheaper and better.
https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-System-UBIQUITI-NETWORKS-UAP-LR/dp/B00HXT8S9G/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1473179697&amp;sr=1-6&amp;keywords=ubiquiti
2 unifi AP LR
Ubiquity 802.11ac Long Range Access Point easily covers 50x24 feet of office space which costs ~ $80 costing ~ $130
I got the above one for Office use and Home use but budget was not constraint I would use the 802.11ac PRO Access Point
Got you covered fam
Stick 4 of those in a cluster on the closest wall and watch him fall.
THIS!!! Not only "fast" enough but make sure there is adequate signal. I have added a Unifi AP (similar to https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-System-UBIQUITI-NETWORKS-UAP-LR/dp/B00HXT8S9G ) and that make my experience w/ Ring more enjoyable. I have a ring 2 doorbell, floodlight cam, and a spotlight cam w/ solar panel charger.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HXT8S9G/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1483933632&amp;sr=8-1&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&amp;keywords=wireless+ap+lr&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=31ZYZ9bvX-L&amp;ref=plSrch
It's actually 2 pieces of equipment. I have a ubiquiti Edge Router X $50
https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x/ and one of Ubiquiti's access points, they don't offer the specific one on there site anymore. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HXT8S9G/ref=s9_hps_bw_g147_i2
Mine came with a poe adapter so I'm not sure why the offer it without. IF you get both peices of equipment you don't need the poe anyways as the Router provides the juice.
Its actually the access point the provides the ability for multiple SSIDs that offer the multiple configurations. As RemixF said its a more Enterprise grade feature. These pieces of equipment are more enterprise grade but and a consumer level price. Combined they've been cheaper then the last 6 Big box store network devices I've bought and kick the crap out of them in product life, features and performance.
The only hang up is they don't have the best product support which is one of the reason for the cost savings, you pretty much rely totally on the community for that.
Eero is super easy to setup and is a wireless mesh network that isn't ridiculously pricey. I've covered every inch of multiple different 10,000 square feet plus structures. Much cheaper than Cisco alternatives although there might be some out there that are cheaper. [Eero] (https://www.amazon.com/eero-Home-WiFi-System-Pack/dp/B00XEW3YD6/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1481853333&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=eero&amp;th=1)
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I have used the Cisco Meraki in 70,000 square feet buildings with multiple subnets etc, but it is a much more expensive solution and overkill for what your needs are unless you need a lot of network control.
It's a bit expensive but this was literally made for people with large houses like you: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00XEW3YD6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1467908105&amp;sr=8-1&amp;pi=SY200_QL40&amp;keywords=eero&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=319KoZ81d3L&amp;ref=plSrch
Hey man
I recently moved into to a new place. Where i game is too far for an ethernet cable. What do you think of orbi? https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Whole-System-Tri-band/dp/B01K4CZOBS/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1517993315&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=orbi
I also thought of getting a power line but im really at the oppsite of the sound on the 2nd floor. While the modem is on the first floor. If i used a powerline it would run through the kitchen and living room before it gets to me. Not sure if its worth it.
Thanks.
Just to add some more detail on Godfrey’s WiFi improvement suggestion, since I just had to research this last week:
Cheap WiFi amplifiers like Godfrey was talking about are definitely useful, but in the context of a “high end” option, they would not be my suggestion.
Depending on your particular needs, I’d recommend either a better router—this applies primarily to people who use the default ISP equipment—or a mesh network.
Without getting too technical, a mesh network will offer a better experience than an extender. I just got this setup:
NETGEAR Orbi Ultra-Performance Whole Home Mesh WiFi System - WiFi router and single satellite extender with speeds up to 3Gbps over 5,000 sq. feet, AC3000 (RBK50)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K4CZOBS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_KpEuDbED7J5Q4
Cost was appx 285. I’m returning the ISP equipment so that will knock a few bucks off the monthly bill. I’m going with this upgrade mostly for performance, and not price, though.
Should be arriving today or tomorrow so I can’t offer a review yet, but I’m confident based on research that it should be what I’m looking for.
My mom didn’t want me to run 5 Ethernet cables with splitters upstairs to the attic (my room) so we made a compromise
We replaced our router with the newest and fastest orbi router system so I had a base station satellite in my room with Ethernet ports.
My download went from (Mbs) 70 to 212 and upload from 90 to 293.76 last time I checked yeet
People who say WiFi with satellites in each room is not good but holy shit it works insanely well. The connection with the router and orbi satellite is some weird special connection so it doesn’t lose connection and Speeds are insane.
I have this one:
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Ultra-Performance-Whole-System/dp/B01K4CZOBS/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=orbi+router&amp;qid=1565993752&amp;s=gateway&amp;sprefix=orbi+&amp;sr=8-3
It’s now on sale I got it for around 300. It’s 1000000% worth it if you don’t have access to Ethernet in your room but still want it. The speed you loose due to the mesh is minimal and your Ethernet speeds will still be insane compared to witelessv. It’s bigger than the google version but it has 5 dedicated Ethernet ports in the mesh router compared to google WiFi’s 1. It also has a USB port so that could be extremely useful depending on your use case
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Whole-Home-System/dp/B01K4CZOBS/ref=sr_1_9?crid=27UACTZBPFM5T&amp;keywords=wifi%2B6%2Brouter&amp;qid=1565288051&amp;s=gateway&amp;sprefix=wifi%2B6%2B%2Caps%2C636&amp;sr=8-9&amp;th=1
Would something like this be better? 2500 sq ft house not including the basement. Looking for more range and better wifi speeds.
Thank you for your response! I consider myself tech savvy, but when it comes to the home network, my knowledge is basic. I planned on hooking the base up to the modem via router, and using the mesh wifi for the two satellites. Does that answer your question? If you don't mind, could you also tell me if it would be worth returning the RBK23 (2 Satellites) for the RBK 50 (one Satellite) if there were only a $20 price difference? I'm not sure what Extra I am getting from one or the other. Thank you!
RBK 23 on Amazon: Orbi RBK 23
RBK 50 on Amazon (Have a 20% off Coupon):Orbi RBK 50
I think I'm leaning toward the Orbi. What would you suggest for a modem? I have the xFinity Gigabit service and it looks like it's a cable wire connection.
Looks interesting. The first few reviews for one of these on Amazon aren't very encouraging though..
Gotcha. So Extenders and powerline adapters suck.
I’ve read about the Orbi solution too. You say that I should get the RBK50 but would getting the RBK30 be that much slower? Especially since charters spectrum will just give me 100mbps down and 15mbps up? If I can save $100 going with the RBK30 and the speed difference is negligible, I would prefer it. But if it makes a drastic change, I could dish out the extra $100.
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Orbi-Home-WiFi-System/dp/B01K4CZOBS
This is the two satellite package. Depending on budget and sq ft you could definitely be fine with the one satellite package.
Wired: Screenshot 1
Wireless: Screenshot 2
pFsense Router: Firewall Router
Patch Panel: [TRENDnet 24 Port] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AZK72/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1)
Network Switch NETGEAR GS324 24-Port
Wireless Router: Netgear Orbi
My partner is selling a bunch of electronic equipment (networking stuff mostly):
Netgear Orbi AC3000 $300
Netgear Nighthawk X6 AC3200 $175
Apple Airport Extreme (5th Generation) $40
ActionTech Ethernet to Coax Adapter (ECB2500C) $50 Brand new in box. Never opened.
ScreenBeam Mini2 Wireless Display Receiver $30
de.Light WiFi Extender Bulb $75 Like new de.Light WiFi extender bulb. Helps eliminate wifi dead zones in your home. Wire free as you simply screw the bulb into an existing light socket. Comes with wifi bulb, hub, and Ethernet cable.
Individual pics of the specific products available, but figured the amazon links would be helpful for full specifics.
6120 is End of Life and is a bad choice for 200 Mbps. Get a SB6183 for sure. if you got budget get a CM600 or D3.1 modem but not really needed.
also, make sure Comcast has pushed correct BLAST PRO config file.
Always prefer separates. reasons below: http://pickmymodem.com/cable-modem-wi-fi-modem-router-combo-one-buy/
for modems, pretty much SB6183 or CM600 are fine. if you prefer Arris, go for 6183.
http://amzn.to/2q0wYG6 - 6183
http://amzn.to/2qtNyxZ - CM600
for Routers, few options:
AC1900 R7000. Netgear http://amzn.to/2q0ykk0
Archer C9 http://amzn.to/2pzu4q4
Have you thought about google or Orbi Mesh systems? it gives pretty good performance.
http://amzn.to/2q0NUMq - Orbi (this is from Netgear and this gives hell of WIFI performance)
http://amzn.to/2pzsyUW - google mesh
How about Modem + EdgeRouterLite + Ubiquiti APs. This is complex setup and bit expensive
http://amzn.to/2pzBgTe - Edgerouter lite http://amzn.to/2pJHsIG - ubiquiti AP
Let me know if you have other questions.
To follow-up I ordered an Actiontec MOCA (ECB6200S02) adapter and an Orbi RBK50 mesh system.
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My goal was to have the Orbi router in my office so it could cover that half of the house and then I'd put the satellite (with Ethernet backhaul) upstairs on the opposite side of the house to cover that side. My wiring cabinet is in the unfinished basement so putting the router down there is less than ideal.
I have two network drops in my office, let's call them "NA" and "NB". Down in the wiring cabinet I plugged the "NA" wire directly into the ONT's Ethernet port. Up in the office I connected the Orbi router's WAN port into that "NA" drop. Then I connect one of the switch ports on the Orbi router to connect into the "NB" drop, then down in the wiring cabinet put that "NB" wire into a 16-port unmanaged switch. Then all the other network cables for all the other rooms in the wiring cabinet would also go into that switch. This way everything that's wired would be behind the Orbi router.
In theory it makes sense (to me) and it should work but when I tried that the Orbi app said it didn't have a network cable connection.
(And before anyone asks - yes, both "NA" and "NB" drops in my office work. Up to this point I've had my Synology NAS on "NA" and a switch on "NB" for my computer and our network printer.)
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To get it up and running I ended up just putting the Orbi router in the basement and connecting the WAN port directly into the ONT. The setup detected a network cable connection and completed.
Within 20 minutes of having the Orbi setup and configured the router lost its internet connection twice. Once it fixed on its own after a few minutes and the second time I had to completely reboot the router. So this thing appears to be a piece of junk. From what I read online not all versions of the Orbi firmware support Ethernet backhaul and the latest firmware (v2.2.1.210) is completely broken and has been for months with no updates. So I manually updated the router to v2.1.4.16 (per this thread). That update went fine, then I updated the satellite and it the update never completed. Then the router lost its internet connection. At this point I just pulled it all out and went back to the FiOS router.
I guess I'm going to give the Orbi stuff another shot this weekend but I don't have high hopes.
The MOCA adapter seemed to do it's job just fine. When I had it connected my Guide, DVR and onDemand was all working on my STB. So at least there's that...
Any other recommendations for a mesh system? I have a 3000sqft house (with a 1500sqft unfinished basement) and I just need good WiFi on the main floor and for the upstairs bedrooms. I also really want Ethernet backhaul since I have a network drop in every room.
As much as I'd love to have Ubiquiti I didn't have the foresight to have the builder put network drops in the ceiling everywhere so without running a bunch of cables and cutting a bunch of holes in my brand new house that leaves me with their in-wall units and I'd need one in just about every room so that gets pricey quick...
Google WiFi seems to be decent and the price is right but I've read it drops connections a lot and just isn't that fast overall. It's cheap enough I can always just throw another puck in a room when I need more coverage.
Eero is rather expensive, I'm looking at $500 for their "pro" system.
Suggestions?
https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Home-Wi-Fi-Router-AFI-R/dp/B01L9O07FS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1483259523&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=AmpliFi+Mesh+Router
How about this one? It's cheaper than an AirPort Extreme - will it be better performance and range?
so you are saying i need to get multiple amplifi boxes (in my case three) and wire those in in the same way I would the unifi units?
so three of these instead of one plus two antennas/mesh points?
Okay.
Then should I get 2 Amplifi HD sets(https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Ubiquiti-Seamless-Wireless-Extenders/dp/B01L9O08PW)
Or 2 Amplifi HD base routers(https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Ubiquiti-Seamless-Wireless-Extenders/dp/B01L9O07FS?th=1)?
I agree with what is most said, wiring things is much better because WiFi isn't the most reliable.
It sound alike you're having problems similar to what I used to have, I recently bought this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O07FS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_GvhszbG5FHSZ1 (There's a high density or long range option. I got high density due to many devices on wifi) I love it through and through, I get Amazing coverage around my home, no more dropping wifi, and it connects devices automatically to it's 5Ghz if they are in range or able. It still has 2.4Ghz for devices far away or not compatible. If you're still having problems it has mesh points you can buy pushing your coverage further.
Edit: Forgot to mention, like what others said, using powerline adapters or Coax to Ethernet for wiring devices and getting the router in the center of the home. Having central wifi is key
I found a Router that I'm thinking on buying. Link below.
AmpliFi HD Wifi Router by Ubiquiti Labs
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O07FS/ref=cm_sw_r_wa_apa_i_QwqRCb6PRHNH2
And for the modem I'm looking at a few. Netgear CM600, CM700, or CM 1000.
Let me know what you guys think?
Trust me, it's bad. The interface is full of poorly done translations. I remember at times the UI would hang whenever I tried to access it... or it would low ungodly slow. Here's a demo that I found of it: http://demoui.asus.com/
Not sure what that is for, but you can see how "out of date" the interface is. That particular firmware version is significantly newer than mine.
Take a look at the Amplif https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L9O07FS
Thanks for replying. To be more specific, here is what I see on amazon:
I'm sure there are more in the pipeline.
Orbi is only a 2 pk for $379, so that is not competitive, and has that horrible Netgear UI, so Eero has that beat hands down. I guess Linksys can afford to be so uncompetitive since they have a broad base of products. I've rebooted a Linksys router enough times to not want to trust them at any price point.
Eero 3 pk is currently $454. Even with that discount from $499 MSRP, I'm not sure how well that competes with much of the above.
I do appreciate the company support input here and on the community page on the website, so that is worth something. If you are using Netgear components, thank God you aren't using their UI. Still, I am very concerned about these eeros turning into very expensive bricks if the company cannot sell these at a competitive price point and goes south. Will they still work if there is no cloud?
Most people will buy a Honda over a Lexus due to price, and luxury manufacturers have to sell to a different segment by differentiating themselves with perhaps better performance, service, or emotional appeal in a clear manner, where luxury buyers understand why they are paying more. I'm not sure how buyers will make such a connection between price and quality when the reviews are all generally comparable. There are a lot of reviews where people try one product and find another performs satisfactorily, so I can't see a consensus opinion that the Eero outperforms everyone else. Personally, I would like to have a better idea why these components are superior to the competition, but for the sake of the company, it probably needs to do a better job explaining that to the masses if they are going to use a luxury pricing model. Or is it just over-engineered for the task at hand? After all, we will all be looking to replace these in a few short years in the face of newer, better WiFi protocols. I don't need a 20 year router, but if you told me this better build quality results in fewer reboots than the cheaper competition, that would be worth something too.
By gig blast I assume you mean fiber maybe? Here is the fiber version of the router. Ubiquiti Edgerouter X SFP - Router - Desktop - Black (ER-X-SFP) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012X45WH6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_-C7sDbRNTZ9DC
Access points: Ubiquiti Networks Unifi 802.11ac Dual-Radio PRO Access Point (UAP-AC-PRO-US) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PRO512/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_eE7sDbCT7FFQT
The access points will act purely as a bridge from wireless to wired (aka not a router, just wifi) with your home's size I'd recommend probably 3 or possibly 4 of them depending on how well you want the wifi to reach. This type of wifi will be mesh meaning you'll only have one ssid and your phone will connect to whichever AP is closer automatically. (Youd need to download a controller software to a PC)
Again, this is just the most optimal setup and required a little bit knowledge of the devices and general networking to setup.
If you're strictly looking for good but plug and play this would be the best route: AmpliFi HD WiFi System by Ubiquiti Labs, Seamless Whole Home Wireless Internet Coverage, HD WiFi Router, 2 Mesh Points, 4 Gigabit Ethernet, 1 WAN Port, Ethernet Cable, Replaces Router & WiFi Extenders https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_oH7sDbKR37G0G
Hope this helps clear things up!
Sorry, I lied, one of the co-workers went the AmpliFi route: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_awdb_nN1cAbYJAMRYN
So if you don't have Ethernet on multiple floors I would look at something like the Amplifi HD. There may be cheaper options but Ubiquiti makes a good product and it should be pretty easy to configure.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_a3hnDbVEJB9EC
You could give this set up a try if you're worried about the UniFi price point and controller hosting. I set this up for my parents who have satellite internet, and live way the hell off grid. Now they have about 1000ft of coverage on their phones and devices around the house. Super easy, and you could figure out a place to set this up in your garage/2nd/3rd floor(s) if that were the case.
I'm guessing you are not looking at the US amazon :P
https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Home-Wi-Fi-Router-AFI-R/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1494173999&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=amplifi&amp;th=1
They have everything listed there.
Either of these would work.
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You can buy just the "meshpoint" from amplifi and set it up easily with a phone. It's an easy fast setup process. https://www.amplifi.com/
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https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Ubiquiti-Seamless-Wireless-Extenders/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1540510584&sr=8-1&keywords=amplifi+mesh+node
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Synology just released a new mesh node as well. It runs about $130 on amazon. In fact I think they pushed new firmware that lets any synology router run as a mesh node. https://www.synology.com/en-global/company/news/article/PR_router_MR2200ac
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https://www.amazon.com/Synology-MR2200ac-Mesh-Wi-Fi-Router/dp/B07HPSQZKN/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1540510620&sr=8-1&keywords=synology+mesh&dpID=318CC53a0SL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
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What’s your take on something like this?
Thanks for taking the time to reply!
I was heavily considering the EdgeRouter X, but wasn't sure what would compliment it well.
Do you know if the EAP245 has to be hard-wired?
Seems pretty affordable for a proper at-home setup.
I was considering the Ubiquiti AmpliFi, but I see mixed feelings on it.(Not the system though)
If you are looking at Mesh, you get what you pay for.
I currently have the AmpliFi system from Ubiquity:
https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Ubiquiti-Seamless-Wireless-Extenders/dp/B01L9O08PW/
All my stuff works great.
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If the latest generation of Eero had been out when I bought \^\^\^, I would have gotten it for the dedicated back-channel:
https://www.amazon.com/eero-Home-WiFi-System-Beacon/dp/B071HHK2PN/
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I have Amplifi HD and am very happy with it.
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I am an IT manager and have done a lot of testing of different AP's and routers and I have to say that the Amplifi HD is rock solid. I have never had an issue with it (over 1 year since install).
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My house (approx. 2,000 sqft w/ three levels) is a smart home to some extent with A LOT of devices connected to the wireless network. We have 3 laptops, 4 rokus (which are constantly streaming from my Plex server), 4 iPhones, two iPads, thermostat, Playstation 4, Wii U, two desktops, multiple Alexa devices, etc, etc.
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My wife does a lot of video editing and uploading to the web over the wireless is quick and not affected by other devices on the network, we are also gamers (COD, WoW, Sims) and the latency hasn't been noticeable.
If you get a cheap router, you'll get poor results. If you get a good one, you will get good results. I got a Amplifi by Ubiquiti, which comes with two wireless extenders that effectively create a seamless mesh network that covers my entire home and 1 acre property. It is rock solid reliable and very fast.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O08PW/
Is this what you’re talking about? https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Ubiquiti-Seamless-Wireless-Extenders/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1I44WU7Z9U2IN&amp;keywords=amplifi&amp;qid=1550273099&amp;s=gateway&amp;sprefix=Amplifi%2Caps%2C153&amp;sr=8-3
THANK you u/hot_java_cup for your very in-depth response! I purchased another Ring Doorbell Pro from a different retailer today and SAME problem, even after adding the Ring Chime Pro. However, as per Ring support’s recommendation, we tried connecting it to a hot spot from our cell phone and bypassing the Chime Pro and had a much different response (right flashing white light) and I believe this is because our cell service signal is very weak at our home (1-2 bars) so I’m convinced it’s a router problem.
Can you tell me, would [this] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_h6SQBbC0JHQB6)
AmpliFi HD WiFi System by Ubiquiti Labs, Seamless Whole Home Wireless Internet Coverage, HD WiFi Router, 2 Mesh Points, 4 Gigabit Ethernet, 1 WAN Port, Ethernet Cable, Replaces Router & WiFi Extenders
...be adequate for what you are recommending?
EDIT: Sorry, apparently I can’t figure out how to imbed a link in Reddit yet :/
Link: https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Ubiquiti-Seamless-Wireless-Extenders/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1537895551&amp;sr=8-1-spons&amp;keywords=amplifi&amp;psc=1&amp;pldnSite=1
My preference (3000 sq ft / 3 floors) is to have an enterprise-class router/firewall (pfSense) and then an AP on each floor.
If you prefer something simpler, then you could look at a mesh router like AmpliFi HD WiFi System by Ubiquiti Labs, Seamless Whole Home Wireless Internet Coverage.
Someone I know (4500 sq ft / 3 floors) has one of these and is very happy with their performance.
Yeah, I have 2 of these, one is running the lights on my headboard plus the lights under my bed that come on with motion to serve as a walking/night light and phone chargers.
The other is basic network equipment for Sonos, Hue, SmartThings and a little Plex server as well as a network switch, a smart RF remote and a Huge Bloom.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078YLFFXL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_dWpPDbYJ337H1
I had the Wifi problem too, but I've solved it by just upgrading the backbone of my network and pulling a network switch to other "low priority" devices.
Now I can run a theoretical 200+ devices at the same time without breaking a sweat.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_b0pPDbSVWWM8W
Something like this?
I used to always have issues with isp provided equipment. I would see if you can testa a new router like UBIQUITI Networks EdgeRouter X 5 Ports Gigabit LAN/WAN Router https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B011N1IT2A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_xyCQCb906RRRA with Ubiquiti Networks UAP-AC-LITE WLAN Access Point https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B016K4GQVG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_aACQCb20H55SZ
But only if you are OK with lots of setup and reading...
If you got money and don't want to mess about this is good also :Ubiquiti Amplifi 4-Ports Home Wi-Fi System AFI HD Wireless Router https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_hBCQCb32C5H0F
Like this https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-High-Density-Home-Wi-Fi-System/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=mp_s_a_1_11?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1527695765&amp;sr=8-11&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&amp;keywords=Ubiquiti&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=419zbDrMBPL&amp;ref=plSrch
Well, I'm not an internet expert, and this is waaaay out of your stated budget, but I just got one of these bad boys for my home network and I'm lovin' it.
We replaced our aging Apple base stations with Google Mesh:
https://smile.amazon.com/Google-Wifi-system-set-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g3499214142?_encoding=UTF8&amp;%2AVersion%2A=1&amp;%2Aentries%2A=0&amp;ie=UTF8
The setup is almost as or just as easy as Apple's and they have been working like champs.
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just get a mesh network like Google Wifi https://www.amazon.com/Google-WiFi-system-3-Pack-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294
https://www.amazon.com/Google-WiFi-system-3-Pack-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294
You can plug an ethernet cable into the extender
Put one on each floor
If this is your house and not a rental, I would highly suggest buying a 1000' box of cable and wiring the place up. Otherwise, get yourself a mesh Wi-Fi setup for your router/wireless coverage, and get at least 2 nodes to cover all 3 floors. If you get two units, put one on the lowest level and one on the highest, or of upi buy a 3 pack put one on each floor on opposite sides of the house. So the one in the lowest floor would be at the front of the house, middle floor would be towards the back of the house, top floor would be at the front of the house again. As far as what modem to get just check the carrier approved modem list and buy whatever's cheap that has good reviews on Amazon.
try a mesh system like Google Wifi
Buy a Google WiFi system
Google Wifi Mesh and Netgear ethernet switch. I don’t have ethernet wires running across the ceiling/walls.
I hide my Wifi Hub and Switch under/behind the sofa.
Google Wifi
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MAW2294/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_QWJ0Cb5K821NW
Netgear Ethernet Switch
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HGLVZLY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ZYJ0CbF7D1Y4B
Cat 7
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076FNS3NZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2XJ0Cb8JA7EAW
You can even do it on a budget by buying some old AC router and installing Tomato USB on it and turning it into a wireless ethernet bridge.
This is the mesh network I'm using. I regret not buying it much sooner.
https://www.amazon.com/Google-WiFi-system-3-Pack-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=google+wifi&qid=1556858369&s=gateway&sr=8-3
https://www.costco.com/Google-Wifi-Whole-Home-Mesh-Wifi-System,-4-pack.product.100406436.html
Could it really be the Google WiFi causing the issue? Right now the way I have it setup is this
Coax from wall -> ARRIS Surfboard -> Google WiFi -> Netgear unmanaged switch -> PC
All devices on the network lag, including those hardwired. I tried swapping out one of my nodes from the living room to my room where the modem is and the problem persists, so it's not a hardware issue with Google router. What do you mean by mesh box solution? Here's what I have
Wireless isn't guaranteed by any provider.
As others have mentioned, hardwire ethernet and test with a device that has a gigabit ethernet port using a cat 5e or cat 6 cable. (Cat 5 is limited to 100m).
Wireless is subject to so much interference you have no idea.
Try connecting to the "5G" connection, and you'll get the speed in the room - and even then you'll probably cap out at 130m.
That's just how wifi works.
You could invest in a mesh router setup however.
Get one of these bad boys:
https://www.amazon.com/Google-WiFi-system-3-Pack-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294
https://www.amazon.com/Google-Wifi-system-set-replacement/dp/B01MAW2294
Here are your options for home wifi networking:
APs are generally more stable (UBIQUITI makes great ones) due to the wired connection. I like using APs because I can buy as I need more and set some up on different VLANs and hide SSIDs, but those are more advanced options. For most people who do not want to run cable or go with more of a permanent networking setup, the easiest and most effective solution is generally a mesh system. The TP-Link one is great as well as Google WiFi.
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Network extenders are not good, especially the kind that connect via power-line Ethernet. Best bet is to get a wireless access point that bridges to the router, or better yet, whole-home wifi like Google Wifi:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MAW2294/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_i1KUDbMRVJFMM
I've a spare Google Wifi system (set of 3) (Brand new), coming in from USA, for sale.
It would be the ideal equipment for your relative's wifi issues. Hit me up in the PM if you are interested.
This is something that might be of help. Wi-Fi extender routers. They also come in single versions that you can add more to.
Edit: to add to this. I have shitty wifi router modem combo and I was tired of not being able to sit out side with my rig on the back porch for when I wanted to smoke and relax with a game. So I purchased these with the intent to wire these so I had 100% connection like I would wired to the modem. However once I got these I decided to try and use them just on the wifi as it's supposed to be able to bounce signal to strengthen the wifi around the whole house (it's called a mesh network). So after getting it set up I tested the wifi connection. Now before the setup wired I get 125 down and 40 up. On the old wifi network out side I got 10 down and 5 up. Now with the new mesh network not wired up I get 120 to 125 down and 30 to 40 up and that's out side with out the access points being wired other than having to wire the power. Funny enough they have wan ports on them so I use one of the 3 as a wifi card basically lol. Good luck with what you do but this helped me and I never had to go the extra step to wire the access points. Wifi has come a long way.
We have Verizon Fios (Frontier now) 150mbs up and down. We upgraded to that router and it worked better but we still had issues.
What fixed it totally was getting the google wifi we went from 70 to 80 down to right on 150. Vue has worked perfectly since then no pauses or skips.
Parents have vue and use the Amazon fire tv and were have issues with skips and pauses. Got them Google wifi haven't had a issue since.
I highly recommend getting it. You can buy it in a three pack or individually. Easy setup.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01MAW2294/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1501870496&amp;sr=8-1-spons&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&amp;keywords=google+wifi&amp;psc=1
My ISP is Spectrum cable and my router is this.
I've used a dlink N300 extreme-N gigabit router, and it worked fine.
Also heard good stories about the Google router:
https://www.amazon.com/Google-Wifi-system-single-point/dp/B01MDJ0HVG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1494824751&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=google+router
But that's a wifi point, and I don't know if you need ethernet connection.
without the referral link
https://www.amazon.com/Google-WiFi-system-1-Pack-replacement/dp/B01MDJ0HVG
Yay information! Yeah I was looking into this SQM, seems like it's not usually easy to find what something offers. If I read correctly though, a docsis 3.1 modem solves this?
So what about,
Google: Google WiFi system, 1-Pack - Router replacement for whole home coverage - NLS-1304-25 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDJ0HVG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_tAd6CbTTN35MG
And Arris: ARRIS SURFboard Gigabit DOCSIS 3.1 Cable Modem, 10 Gbps Max Speed, Approved for Comcast Xfinity, Cox and Charter. (SB8200 Frustration Free) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DY16W2Z/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_.yd6CbAG8NBM3
Only problem with this is I dont get a lot of LAN ports, any suggestion on a good switch that I could put behind a TV to split off to hardwire multiple devices if needed?
Surely these Mesh APs wouldn't provide full lan potential if not hardwired to the modem.
Depends what you want. From Comcast's perspective, all you need at a minimum is a compatible cable modem. It's easier if it's on their approved list. Any would likely work, but you'll have less issues if anything goes wrong if you choose one from here. Here's their link:
https://mydeviceinfo.xfinity.com/
The cable modem connects to your cable line, outputs an ethernet connection that you can then use with the rest of your equipment. At that point, you probably need a wireless router, unless you're just plugging a single computer into the modem itself. The router plugs into your cable modem, and expands your network from being just a single ethernet port, to any wireless devices you want to connect to it. It also might have additional ethernet ports on it if you want to connect directly (wired will be better performance than wireless).
Most people recommend keeping the cable modem and wireless routers separate, as you then can upgrade/replace separately if needed. But there are options where they are combined all in one single device, which might be helpful for simple networks. To find those combined devices, just check "built-in wifi" on the xfinity device page, and it will show you those compatible models.
A separate Wifi router that plugs into the cable modem can be just about anything you like, from the cheapest setup up to a whole house mesh with several different access points. They are all "compatible" with Xfinity, as all of them will just plug right into the cable modem to connect up to the network.
If you do end up going with a separate cable modem / wireless router setup, it is sometimes useful to put the cable modem in "bridging" mode. This means that the cable modem sometimes functions as a router as well by default, even if it's just a modem. Then by putting another router behind it, it can sometimes cause issues, especially if you have people on your network with game consoles and some other similar uses. Bridge mode turns off most/all routing from the modem, and the wireless router behind the modem is the only device performing routing - it receives the external IP address as far as Xfinity is concerned, not the cable modem's ethernet port.
My recommendation, for what it's worth, would be the Motorola MB8600 (~$150), with the Google Wifi setup ($100 for one, $260 for 3), 1 puck for each 1500 sq ft of house.
Can also go with: https://www.amazon.com/Google-Wifi-system-single-point/dp/B01MDJ0HVG/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1492452575&amp;sr=1-2&amp;keywords=google+wifi
The plaster is going to make things difficult, but not impossible. It does mean that you probably want to go with a mesh system. One of my coworkers is in a similar situation and he has two of google's wifi aps. https://www.amazon.com/Google-WiFi-system-1-Pack-replacement/dp/B01MDJ0HVG/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=google+wifi&qid=1555609363&s=gateway&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1
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I feel like there are better options out there, but they kind of depend on how much setup you are willing to tolerate. The google aps are very easy to set up and if one won't cut it for your coverage needs, adding a second should.
For a media streaming setup it may be your cheapest/least stressful option.
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Ubiquiti is another mesh option or Ruckus which is more of an enterprise solution. Ruckus is what I have at home and the radios are some of the best I've seen. Coverage is fantastic but they are fairly pricey. I still recommend the google wifi just for ease of use and price.
I got mine on Amazon. I assume most retailers have switched to only carry the Nest Wifi. eBay probably has them too.
Google WiFi system, 1-Pack - Router replacement for whole home coverage - NLS-1304-25 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDJ0HVG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_i71WDbSEBEE6P
Is this what you are talking about?
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY
ERL - 2x ac lites or nanoHDs.
for outdoor I used these with wired backhaul.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY/
might as well just get a 8 or 16 port. you don't really need to go ubiq for it. ex: https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-Business-LGS116P-Unmanaged-Enclosure/dp/B00GECC11O/
AC Mesh is same price on amazon new.
All of the above are possible.
https://amcrest.com/wifi-cameras.html
Lots of great 1080p 30fps wifi cameras for around $100 or less.
https://amcrest.com/amcrest-nv4108-1080p-8ch-1080p-3mp-4mp-5mp-network-video-recorder-supports-up-to-8-x-1080p-2-1mp-wifi-ip-cameras-at-30fps-realtime-supports-up-to-4tb-hdd-not-included-no-built-in-wifi.html
Depending if you do motion activated or not this will have plenty of storage. I use a different company but a 4TB drive has 8 months of 1080p 30fps motion detection on it and still room for more.
Lastly, if you want to really control these without interfering get an enterprise AP
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1510175563&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=ubiquiti+ac+mesh&amp;dpID=31AIzZssG9L&amp;preST=_SY300_QL70_&amp;dpSrc=srch
One or two of these will take care of any wifi problems. They are far more powerful than consumer products and will let you have multiple networks all over 2.4 and 5ghz.
Total cost on this will be around $600 depending on taxes, shipping, and a few ethernet cables.
fwiw, my wired Reolink (the ptz 423) loses connection more often than my wireless Amcrest did.
I've since replaced the Amcrest, though, with a Ubiquiti AP acting as a wireless uplink for a Dahua HDW5231R-Z. I'll be adding another camera soon & it will connect via the same uplink.
This Uplink:
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY
Powered by a small PoE switch placed into one of these boxes outside:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0131VGD1O
Great. After looking at the one I was planning on getting the one you’re talking about it only like $15 more than what I was going to pay. I might just go ahead and get this one instead.
https://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-Bonded-Ethernet-Adapter-ECB6200K02/dp/B013J7O3X0
The speeds can run up to gigabit and most rooms seem to have a coax port ran to them. If there are going to be multiple devices you can attach an AP to the moca adapter to get wifi upstairs too.
If you don't want to run something like that you could look into https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY/ and you could just add more as you find you need more coverage around the house
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1189144-REG/ubiquiti_networks_uap_ac_lr_us_802_11ac_long_range.html?ap=y&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwlejcBRAdEiwAAbj6Kebzq9Mb5fILCz_AVisQDw-qFqelBNtqncq9x76YkI7kNRUQOIeNVBoCMWIQAvD_BwE&amp;smp=y
For outdoor use and weather proof you probably want this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1536833576&amp;sr=8-4&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&amp;keywords=outdoor+access+point&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=31AIzZssG9L&amp;ref=plSrch
Yikes, that definitely makes for a bad time, if you're tech-savvy, Ubiquiti is a robust brand that will outlast anything consumer-grade. Otherwise, I can find Asus or Netgear all-in-one.
ERX is the wired router
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-ER-X-Router/dp/B0144R449W
AC-Lite or Mesh for wifi
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-Ap-AC-Lite-UAPACLITEUS/dp/B015PR20GY/
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY/
Yes, that helps greatly.
First, being unable to acquire additional IPv4 address is unfortunate. The additional address would have greatly simplified the overall headache involved and allowed each residence to essentially have their own standalone internet connection with whatever portion of the fibre bandwidth you allocated to them. Without them you can still do it, you're just looking at NATing your single IP to all the devices which complicates things such as port forwarding, introduces the possibility of dual-NAT configurations, and increases the likely hood of that shared IP being abused and potentially blacklisted on a service because of the actions of one user affecting the rest of the users.
I would suggest a pfSense (or OPNsense) gateway hooked up to your modem or ONT, this will handle the NAT, VLANs, DHCP and traffic shaping. If you don't buy or build a pfSense box with at least 8 ports, hook this up to a managed switch. One line run from this to each of the wire-able units on your attached building plus one to the roof for a wireless AP.
Because the distance across the road is short and looks to be mostly clear LOS with sparse trees - you can approach the wireless AP a couple of ways. If you plan on only offering a 100Mbit/s or so to each "customer", you could get away with 3 Ubiquiti AirMax NanoStation Loco M5 units. One on your roof to act as the AP and broadcast the signal across the road and 2 on the other building across the road for each unit. Just easier to put up a receiving station at each unit that wants to join vs sharing a single one - I can get into the reasons why if you'd like.
If you're planning on providing more than a 100Mbit/s to each person than you can consider the same setup but substitue for the newer Ubiquiti NanoBeam AC units for a slightly increased cost.
It is also possible to do this all under the Unifi umbrella if you so choose. It is slightly more costly but is definitely more user-friendly and easier to manage under one interface. Here I would suggest you replace the broadcast AP with a Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-AC-M-Pro and each receiving station with a Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-AC-M. Note these are omni-directional antennas now, they lose the benefits that come from directional APs but at the distances we are looking at here that should be a negligible difference.
A real rough hierarchy layout here: https://i.imgur.com/QV0qfq6.png
Each individual unit is isolated from each other and you by being on their own VLAN, to which you will configure only gateway access on each VLAN with no cross VLAN routes.
When it comes to what is happening on each units internal network, you can do one of a few things. You could still allow them to use any ol' router they choose, hook up to the WAN port on said router and NAT their own internal network. This will work fine, albeit behind double NAT, it will take a good portion of the internal routing load off your pfSense box and only involve it when the client needs to get out to the net. Or you could handle all the internal routing and just have them use a switch and AP (if they want wifi in their unit) - you could get real fancy with this way but it adds a lot more potential for trouble on your part, the other option is likely the easier one.
Lastly, regarding authentication, you could take it one step further and utilize the PPPoE server on pfSense to give each unit their own PPPoE username and password they need to use to authenticate against your router. No username and password = no IP = no internet. Useful for revoking access to one user who doesn't pay their portion without having to physically go over and unplug them.
Sorry for the wall of text. These kind of setups are fun and I've dealt with a lot of similar setups for different applications.
Great! Thanks for the help. One last thing. We don't need anything crazy what do you think of this Ubiquiti model
If everything MUST be self-contained and indoors (read: no drilling or slightly open windows)
Consider something like an AC68U (TM-ac1900 refurbished/rebranded for as low as $50ish on amazon/ebay), set it in media bridge mode using the 2.4GHz band to connect to the local internet and the 5GHz to connect to the site.
This SHOULD give a much stronger connection than going with a traditional extender.
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As far as "outdoor wifi antennas" that would probably be something akin to an outdoor wireless access point.
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Wireless-MU-MIMO-Gigabit-EAP225-Outdoor/dp/B07953S2FD
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N9FIELY/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N1VMBUR/
You MIGHT actually be able to do something somewhat similar to the above with just an AP. I would need to research it. Likely something to do with "mesh mode" (mesh is a loaded term which means different things for different products FYI). Also be aware that there are different levels of "weatherproof" and "outdoor". Some devices assume that they're under an awning.
That's a decent model, the link you sent me is a 3 pack of 802.11n wifi access points. Which will give you a large coverage area, but I'm using this one which supports 802.11ac.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015PRO512/ref=psdcmw_1194486_t1_B005EORRBW
If you want to do mesh networks they also just release some cool AP's that do that too. I think I'm going to pick this one up to improve wifi coverage in our master bath. Which is probably not necessary since our sonos in there never drops out.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01N9FIELY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499138482&amp;sr=8-1&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&amp;keywords=uap+m&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=312mdI78PJL&amp;ref=plSrch
I was only getting half my advertised speeds on the WiFi out of our providers device, which for me was more than enough so I didn’t think much about it.
For other reasons, I picked up a mesh wireless setup and hardwired it to the provider device and disabled its WiFi so we only ran off the mesh. I get 90-95% of my advertised speeds since making the switch. I also have stronger wireless signal through out the entire house, garage, and backyard (this is primarily why I added the mesh.)
I recommend reading up on mesh devices before purchasing, they are not created equal. While this setup works great for me and my needs, you might benefit more from a setup that offers a dedicated backbone. You have more users than I do, and my needs are lower bandwidth (security cams around the exterior.)
I'm assuming you mean the flat puck-shaped ones? All I'm seeing on Amazon is this but it says M5 https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Deco-Whole-Home-System/dp/B06WVCB862/
So, M9 or do you think sticking with Orbi is the way to go?
Try this: https://www.cnet.com/reviews/tp-link-deco-m5-whole-home-wi-fi-system-review/
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Simple setup,, IOS, built in anti-virus and control from your apple or android phone. And cheap .... have it at home and it works well.
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https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Deco-Whole-Home-System/dp/B06WVCB862
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Modem, switch for additional Ethernet ports and this
TP-Link Deco Whole Home Mesh WiFi System – Homecare Support, Seamless Roaming, Dynamic Backhaul, Adaptive Routing, Works with Amazon Alexa, Up to 5,500 sq. ft. Coverage (M5) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WVCB862/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_FfR2Cb1FR5YB4
I think with 4 people, a mesh compatible network would be a good way to handle this. What router do you guys currently have by the way?
https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/350795/the-best-wi-fi-mesh-network-systems
This one seems to be the cheapest pack (3 of them): TP-Link Deco M5
>Dual Band 2.4GHz (up to 400 Mbps) + 5 GHz (up to 867 Mbps)
Quad Core CPU
4 x Internal Antennas
2 x Gigabit Ethernet Ports
2 x 2 MU-MIMO
Bluetooth (for Setup)
1 USB Type-C Adapter (for Power)
Those paired with a decent "main" router (where the WAN comes in) I think would be an great approach for you're particular situation.
Here's the approach I would do:
Living Room (or where the modem is)
Your room and roomates
I think you can do this at around $400; so split between you guys it's $100 each for an improvement. I don't know how to find and compare this stuff for you if you're not in the US. Sorry. =/
It’s expensive but I’ve found it to be a worthy investment and expect it to operate for the next few years.
A less expensive but highly rated option would be TP Link’s Deco M5 which is Amazon’s deal of the day at $200. I have no experience with this.
An even less expensive option would be using the most basic DOCSIS 3.0 (I think that’s what they want you to have?) modem you’d need for your ISP, and a simple AP/Router combo as shes mainly wifi anyway.
A cost effective option I have experience with is this Modem/Router/AP at $80, specifically with Cablevision and Spectrum. It’s not officially supported but works perfectly. This was a great setup for a workplace setting for people’s phones, tablets, printers, and a few people streaming movies and Sling on chromecasts where their computers were hardwired onto another network.
It's been around since December 2017 at least, so they should have worked out the bugs by now. But whatever mesh system you choose, pick a retailer that will let you return it :)
https://kb.netgear.com/000048458/What-is-daisy-chain-and-how-does-it-work-with-my-Orbi-WiFi-System
I haven't used Orbi or any other mesh system yet, but I've been looking for a mesh system too.
It seems like all of them have people who love them and hate them. I eliminated Google WiFi since it doesn't do bridge mode and mesh at the same time, and have been looking at Ubiquiti, Orbi, Eero, and Deco. I just ordered a TP-link Deco system, because it was hard to beat $175 for 3, plus $20 instant coupon (so really $155). If it sucks, I'll return it.
Yes, thats high. my cams that work without issues are in the 40s.
I was using this prior: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KWHMR6G/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1
I have this now:
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Deco-Whole-System-3-Pack/dp/B06WVCB862/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1526500133&amp;sr=1-3&amp;keywords=tp+link+deco
Honestly, if I'm running ethernet throughout the house and will have multiple gang boxes in each room, I would use the these instead as they're more sleek and low profile. Plus you still have POE passthrough and normal passthrough.
Got 2 of the new Unifi In-Wall AP (UAP-AC-IW-US) for 20% on Newegg.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Enterprise-System-AP-Pro-UAP-PRO/dp/B00HXT8T5O
I use one of these. It's fucking spectacular. It's only an access point though so might be out of your price range if you factor in a separate router. I do highly recommend any of ASUS's RT line.
huh, thanks. The Amazon link I found was this one https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Enterprise-System-AP-Pro-UAP-PRO/dp/B00HXT8T5O
This doesnt seem so bad now
What is the difference in the POE?
Currently using Google WiFi, got the 3 puck pack for $250 on amazon, currently $260
I'd get the three pack to start with. See how the wifi coverage is, it should be more than enough to cover everything. Just make sure the main router that connects to the bridged FIOS router/modem is centrally located. During the setup WiFi will run tests and make sure the mesh points have a good connection back to the main router and if not suggest moving them around.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01MAW2294/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1500405280&amp;sr=8-1-spons&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&amp;keywords=google+wifi&amp;psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Deco-Whole-Home-System/dp/B06WVCB862
This fits in your price range perfectly. Try them out and if they don’t work well then return for something a bit more expensive.
For an easy setup I always recommend eero.
I set up a network with Eero (https://www.amazon.com/eero-Home-WiFi-System-Beacon/dp/B0713ZCT4N) at my dad's place, and he always tells me how great it works and how there is never any cut outs or gaps in coverage. I haven't used Unifi myself, but I always hear great things about them here on Reddit. I doubt you'd be disappointed with them, but I just wanted my experiences as another option to look into.
Also the unfortunate thing about "seamless AP transfers" is that which AP to connect to is mainly determined by the client, not by your network parameters. Just something to keep in mind.
I got that number from the Amazon listing here
The latest released eeros are not same as original eeros. The insides are identical to eero beacon that is sold with eero pro.
Introducing Amazon eero mesh WiFi system - router for whole-home coverage (3-pack) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WMLPSRL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_0gQ4DbH7YVKJE
B07WMLPSRL
Manufacturer reference 53-023206
Date first listed on Amazon September 24, 2019
no it looks more like this one https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Certified-Refurbished-RBK50-100NAR-Satellite/dp/B07DD4KH5M/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1540334106&sr=1-4&keywords=orbi+home+adapter
Get two Amplifi HD Routers or Google WiFi Pucks wired together using two MOCA Ethernet Adapters. Those would serve you well for your apartment. I say this because I’m guessing you have cable outlets in your computer room for the cable modem and outlets in the living room for a TV.
With a MOCA adapter and Amplifi HD or Google WiFi Puck setup in each of those locations you would see 450mbps speeds near the routers, and good WiFi signal throughout the apartment with gigabit wired Ethernet available in the Computer Room and Living Room.
I’ve had great luck with my Amplifi HD system (3 routers) and with Google WiFi.
Both are easy setup and give you great WiFi speeds but realize that no system aside from unreleased 802.11AX routers will give you gigabit speeds wirelessly.
Ethernet wired Google WiFi pucks and Amplifi HD routers give me around 450mbps max. That’s about the best you can get until the 802.11AX stuff comes to market and even then your devices won’t be able to use it.
If you choose to setup Google WiFi or Amplifi systems using the wireless mesh, speeds will be further reduced (220mbps or less depending on signal). Nevertheless that should be more than adequate for what you listed for your uses.
Amplifi is running a special right now for $100 off for switching from a competitive system. You might try that.
I would recommend the ubiquiti amplify router and mesh points. (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L9O08PW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_46aYzbDF94GHV). If they don’t want to spend the money for the router and 2 mesh points the router and single mesh point would work fine. I have recommend the amplify rougher by itself for medium size houses (2500 ft^2) and 30 Mbps and they had great results.
ah ok, I hear you. This would be perfect for one of these if you change your mind.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UAP-AC-M-US-Unifi-Access-Point/dp/B01N9FIELY/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=unifi+ac+mesh&amp;qid=1557013958&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-3
i don't know charter well, but if you can replace your router. google wifi changed my life. main unit where your old router is, then spread out the other two pucks as needed. as someone else stated halfway down the stairs works. but that is a pricey change.google wifi 3 pack (amazon) $255
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